I am a liberal.

powderedonuts

Moderator
And I am totally, 100% for second ammendment rights.

Are you surprised?

*pulls out glock*

Thank you, republicans. I like my party but on some matters they are just plain stupid.

*kisses glock*
 
You are a what?!?! We don't like your kind here, what with your different opinions!

I'm just kiddin which ya, welcome to TFL and nobody will have a problem with you being a....ummmm...well you know.

BTW nice choice on the glock what kind is it?
 
powderedonuts,

Actually, if the term fits because this is what they call me, you are a moderate.

You like some of the things that repubs stand for, you like some of the things that dems stand for, but you'd gladly dump both of them if a party that believed in what you really stood for (and could win).

I never did welcome you here.. so, if I may, Welcome :)

Wayne
 
I'm glad I'm not the only one. :D I actually used to consider myself libertarian but a lot of soul searching cured me of that. I am a liberal, not a democrat. Democrats are a bunch of confused puppies.

Anyway, welcome. :)

Jim
 
Well I wouldnt really consider myself a democrat....... because I dont like their politicians........... same with republicans..........

Its like choosing between a turd sandwich or a giant doosh. I will have to look up this idea of a moderate...... because I guess I dont fit into either donkey or elephant at all...

But what I do know is that gun ownership = good. Since I am somewhat of a paranoid person when it comes to the government I feel it is important to be armed. And plus every 7/11 becomes your personal withdrawl ATM. Just kidding. (Or is he?)

Btw Its a glock 19, I put it in my waistband with the butt exposed. Just kidding.
(or is he?) BRAAP BRRAAPP
 
Well if you don't like the Democrats or the Republicans... you're probably a libertarian! No, not a Libertarian Party libertarian (they're nuts), just a true libertarian. If so, join the club of disgruntled Americans. :(
 
I'm more of a classical liberal or individualist. I am skeptical of any institution or group where power is centered and used to thwart the liberties of individuals. Those institutions can be the government, multinational corporations, the church, unions, political parties, the passions or "will" of a majority, or special interest groups.

There is a place for all of the above, but it should be a limited role. Adam Smith's ideas in "The Wealth of Nations" still provokes debate on individualism even though it was written in 1776.
 
armed_n_liberal,

I actually used to consider myself libertarian but a lot of soul searching cured me of that.

Since I don't have a soul, I have no problem with being a libertarian. Let 'em eat steak.
 
Hi Powderdonuts,

I can deal with the fact that you're a liberal; lots of folks are. The passing of years and acceptance of reality will take care of that. I'm pretty disgusted with the Republicans myself, so I can deal with that too.

The Glock thing though... owning one is bad enough- but kissing one :barf:

;)
 
I am 50% liberal and 50% conservative but 100% in favor of the constitution and the intentions of the 2nd amendment. Glad to know there are others in a similar situation!

Currently I've decided to make RKBA an overriding factor in my voting because I believe that is the thing I believe in most at risk -- and likewise the thing we currently have the most chance of fixing.

But it has forced me to vote for a few people that make me roll my eyes up ...
 
I am a liberal. - powderedonuts

How do you know? What does it mean to you? Who are your friends? Does it bother you that many deserving the liberal label don't approve of your interest in guns?

My understanding of "liberal" in a modern context is liberal interpretation of the Constitution, whatever best serves the group rather than the individual. That might be federal versus state or the people versus the person. It's a position that minorities find very appealing and depends upon taking money away from one group and giving it to another.

To suppose that only "liberals" can do "the right thing" is not objective. It would seem that advocates of no one philosophical position have a monopoly on integrity or sanctimony. One that can readily be defended IMO is advocating adherence to the Constitution and its original intent, while allowing that it can be legally but not easily altered. To me that would mean that it cannot be independently legislated that individuals must have anything in common except a dedication to their Constitution as it reads and to the preservation of what it represents. Diversity under that constitutional framework is to be celebrated.

I am not aware of a viable group that proposes that and only that. If there were and that group had any influence, extra constitutional issues such as what the religious right proposes would not be on the front political burner. So called liberals oppose them, but they have their own list of constitutional offenses to advance in exchange.

I would then have an issue with legislators and courts that dishonor that Constitution. I would also find dissenting opinions of US Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas very comforting and worth highlighting.

The only thing that keeps a gun in my possession as a law abiding citizen is the Second Amendment and legislators' fear of directly challenging it. It does actually help that some of them personally enjoy hunting and will only go so far. It also helps that they need my vote and those of many like minded people.

What I fear is a high court that fails to defend that amendment and related rights, or challenge other branches of government attempting to work around constitutional constraints to their power. It's a house of cards that the Supreme Court refuses to knock down, because they would have to declare prior decisions of the Court to be in error, heaven forbid. It would seem that everyone but the Court knows it was wrong in some cases and that it is wrong to allow those precedents to have supremacy over what the Constitution actually says.

When it all turns to a hopeless mess, gun ownership is simply the last line of defense for freedom. It is not merely a cool privilege, here today and gone tomorrow, that doesn't reconcile with our other political philosophies.
 
I'm a conservative with a libertarian streak.

That said, I'm glad there are pro-2a liberals out there. If more of them ran for office, I wouldn't have to vote for the lesser of two evils (W the big spender) as much then.
 
Its like choosing between a turd sandwich or a giant doosh.

And guess what? The giant doosh wins. But it doesn't matter, because all the hippie animal lovers are dead.

I would have voted for Ralph Nader, just for kicks.

Then do America a favor, and don't vote. Voting for someone just for kicks isn't the right thing to do.

And I personally find that I am liberal on most social issues (guns obviously not included there) and conservative on most economical/foreign policy issues.
 
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