Hs 2000
- Thread starter Trimation
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Rob Pincus
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Springfield started shipping a small number of guns to distributors this month. THe distributors are allocating them to their higher volume dealers. I know that Davidson's is listing them at their Gallery of Guns, you could check their to see if a local dealer has any stock.
At under $500, the XD is a good deal. Just because there was a time that you could by an AR for $250 doesn't mean that you shouldn't get one for $600 today if still want it.
At under $500, the XD is a good deal. Just because there was a time that you could by an AR for $250 doesn't mean that you shouldn't get one for $600 today if still want it.
Robert the41MagFan
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Original dealer cost for this pistol was about the $300 range, give or take a few bucks. Street was in that $350 range. Again, I said this once in another thread and got blasted, but here I go again. The pistol was not a big hit (at the higher price!) and was heavily discounted at the retail and wholesale level. That is the reason why they were sold at $300. It is a good pistol I am sure, but if you were in the selling end of this business, the pistol didn't make any money.
Now, nothing sells at MSRP! And if you are dealing in those prices, find another place to shop. As an example, Springfield has an MSRP of $873 and $828 for the Stainless Loaded with adjustable and Novak sights. Street for these two items is $669 and $639 at the average store. The XD pistol will not sell for the $489 MSRP and will street at under $400. And for that extra fifty dollars, you will get a lifetime warranty and quality service.
Robert
Now, nothing sells at MSRP! And if you are dealing in those prices, find another place to shop. As an example, Springfield has an MSRP of $873 and $828 for the Stainless Loaded with adjustable and Novak sights. Street for these two items is $669 and $639 at the average store. The XD pistol will not sell for the $489 MSRP and will street at under $400. And for that extra fifty dollars, you will get a lifetime warranty and quality service.
Robert
HS2000
Let's see if I got this right. They make a pistol in Croatia called the HS2000. Importer brings gun into country and I can buy one for about $249. I looked at the said pistol and was quite pleased with what I saw for the price. The gun I felt was worth the asking price, seemed good value for the money and they had something a little better then a Glock, "THE GRIP SAFETY"
Now for reasons unknown, either they could not make enough to meet demand or the importer could not meet demand or both, A major U.S. Arms maker steps in and takes over, Am I correct so far?
Now a major handgun maker is either making them or impoting them and changes the name and now the PRICE has Doubled?
Gee I guess they must have seen something really good in this handgun and decided they could really make some money on this and "Gouge" The American Shooter!
The Great American Way!.... I love it!
Like I said I looked at one and felt it was good value for the money, but I don't believe it's worth the double price :barf:
Just my thoughts on the subject
Let's see if I got this right. They make a pistol in Croatia called the HS2000. Importer brings gun into country and I can buy one for about $249. I looked at the said pistol and was quite pleased with what I saw for the price. The gun I felt was worth the asking price, seemed good value for the money and they had something a little better then a Glock, "THE GRIP SAFETY"
Now for reasons unknown, either they could not make enough to meet demand or the importer could not meet demand or both, A major U.S. Arms maker steps in and takes over, Am I correct so far?
Now a major handgun maker is either making them or impoting them and changes the name and now the PRICE has Doubled?
Gee I guess they must have seen something really good in this handgun and decided they could really make some money on this and "Gouge" The American Shooter!
The Great American Way!.... I love it!
Like I said I looked at one and felt it was good value for the money, but I don't believe it's worth the double price :barf:
Just my thoughts on the subject
HS2000
AHhhhh, The Great American Disease called "GREED"
Now I wish I would have bought one when I first seen them!
But to me it wasn't a must have pistol
Trimation, you are correct, If I want to spend that kind of money I'll buy a Glock! I didn't pay that much more for my 27
AHhhhh, The Great American Disease called "GREED"
Now I wish I would have bought one when I first seen them!
But to me it wasn't a must have pistol
Trimation, you are correct, If I want to spend that kind of money I'll buy a Glock! I didn't pay that much more for my 27
BrokenArrow
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Already on the local shelves at $489! Had a HS2000 I paid $350 for; worked fine for the 2000 rounds or so I shot until I traded it away (no reason; I just do that a lot).
Just got off the phone w SA, they will _not_ be selling bbls to swap from 40 to 357; will have to buy complete pistols.
Anybody got one of the CZ clones SA used to market?
I'm gonna wait a year or two this time.
Just got off the phone w SA, they will _not_ be selling bbls to swap from 40 to 357; will have to buy complete pistols.
Anybody got one of the CZ clones SA used to market?
I'm gonna wait a year or two this time.
FWIH, some xd's have been selling for $420, so still less than a glock.
15 rounders can be obtained for less than $15 each, so that's less than a glock as well.
If you look around, you should still be able to find an HS2000 somewhere. I did - found another for $299 and bought it today
15 rounders can be obtained for less than $15 each, so that's less than a glock as well.
If you look around, you should still be able to find an HS2000 somewhere. I did - found another for $299 and bought it today
What a friggin rip off!!!!!!!!
Do those idiots at Springfield Armory think they can offer a Glock susbtitute against the real thing?
For $450, the old HS2000 and the new XD, is not going to sell. Glock, Kahr, HK are all in that price range. And these guys make good 1911s. How does a plastic pistol fit into the offering. Look like opportunists to me!
Notice on their website that they don't mention who makers it or manufacturers it. They don't even say they have the Crotians making them to they specs. All they did was ask them to add their markings to the gun.
Now the only sales will be of used XDs for $350.
Do those idiots at Springfield Armory think they can offer a Glock susbtitute against the real thing?
For $450, the old HS2000 and the new XD, is not going to sell. Glock, Kahr, HK are all in that price range. And these guys make good 1911s. How does a plastic pistol fit into the offering. Look like opportunists to me!
Notice on their website that they don't mention who makers it or manufacturers it. They don't even say they have the Crotians making them to they specs. All they did was ask them to add their markings to the gun.
Now the only sales will be of used XDs for $350.
Sambonator
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...for some, the SA stamp makes it worth "less" than the original HS2000 moniker... or should that be "worthless?"
BrokenArrow
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AFAIK, SA does not make 1911s either; they are made in Brazil and finished/assembled here in the USA.
HS America was obviously pricing them to move; anybody who thought they were gonna stay that cheap is crazy. Anybody who thinks Glock couldn't sell theirs for a lot less than they do is crazier.
The HS2000/SA XD is a good pistol made from good material that works. It is worth a competitive price. If you guys start falling all over yourselves to buy them, they will cost more than if you don't.
HS America was obviously pricing them to move; anybody who thought they were gonna stay that cheap is crazy. Anybody who thinks Glock couldn't sell theirs for a lot less than they do is crazier.
The HS2000/SA XD is a good pistol made from good material that works. It is worth a competitive price. If you guys start falling all over yourselves to buy them, they will cost more than if you don't.
I don't see why they couldn't stay at the $300 lvl. SA always over price their stuff. You look at CZ. A CZ40B has stay in the $300 for some time now. The CZ75B is around $350. It hasn't move that much price wise.
Now look at HS2000. All of a sudden it jump from $300 to $500. That a big jumps in a sort amount of time all because SA is selling it. The labor and manufacturing of the gun stay the same. The only difference is SA is putting their name on the product.
Get a Glock, it is a much better deal at $500 then HS2000. BTW the Glock hasn't move price wise for sometime now.
Now look at HS2000. All of a sudden it jump from $300 to $500. That a big jumps in a sort amount of time all because SA is selling it. The labor and manufacturing of the gun stay the same. The only difference is SA is putting their name on the product.
Get a Glock, it is a much better deal at $500 then HS2000. BTW the Glock hasn't move price wise for sometime now.
railroader
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I love my HS 2000. It has been 100% reliable over about 2000 rounds. It fits my hand probably best out of all my pistols, it's accurate and has a very good trigger. I only paid $269 for it from cdnn investments. This seems really cheap for a pistol that was offered with a lifetime warranty. How much profit could there be at this price. Shipping charges on any warranty work would eat profits. I personally think these pistols were being unloaded at rock bottom prices for whatever reason. As for springfield I think part of the price increase is for marketing and also to cover any costs they might have from warranty work. That way they can take care of the customer and make a guaranteed profit. I do think their price mark up is too high. For a side note my friend also has a low cost HS. His pistol had a bad extractor. Under warranty HS arms sent him an extractor twice. Both replacement extractors were used. Neither worked properly. He now is waiting for springfield to get parts so he can purchase a new extractor so his gun will finally work . I personally see springfield doing a better job with warranty work, they can afford to. Mark
Mark IV Series 80
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Originally posted by Stickman
If you like the HS200, you had better get it quick. It has been bought out by Springfield and prices are expected to be in the $425-450 range.
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Oh no! Not Springfield!
The next thing that will happen, is Springfield will start making the slides out of pot-metal in Brazil, and they'll start welding-up the barrels from 2 pieces of steel!
Then, they will put a key-lock in the backstrap and machine-away part of the barrel so you can see the loaded cartridge in the chamber!
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Originally posted by Stickman
If you like the HS200, you had better get it quick. It has been bought out by Springfield and prices are expected to be in the $425-450 range.
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Oh no! Not Springfield!
The next thing that will happen, is Springfield will start making the slides out of pot-metal in Brazil, and they'll start welding-up the barrels from 2 pieces of steel!
Then, they will put a key-lock in the backstrap and machine-away part of the barrel so you can see the loaded cartridge in the chamber!
Well Folks,
I've owned an HS2000 since March, and from personal experience, would place it very close to my Walther P-99 for comfort & performance. The pistol was a steal at $269. I like mine so much, that I am more than willing to pay the $425 my dealer will be selling the .357 Sig Springfield version for. This is a quality piece, and worth every bit of $425.
Oh and by the way, I'm getting really tired of it being referred to as a "Glock" knock off. First, it uses a true S/A action (based on the Browning Model 10), not the 2/3 cocked action of Glock. It has a slightly lighter, shorter, and crisper trigger pull. The barrels are of premium bar stock from Bohler. Bohler hammer forges and rifles the barrels, before shipping them to Croatia for final finishing. The polymer frame is made from high end BASF Ultramyd 66 compound.
It's great grand daddy was the PHP ('91), which evolved into the HS95 (very SIG 226 like), which eventually became the HS2000 ('98). The only features this pistol has in common with a Glock, are a frame of polymer type material, a split trigger and stricker. The HS2000/Springfield XD shares far more with SIG, Walther & Browning, than it ever will with Glock.
I've owned an HS2000 since March, and from personal experience, would place it very close to my Walther P-99 for comfort & performance. The pistol was a steal at $269. I like mine so much, that I am more than willing to pay the $425 my dealer will be selling the .357 Sig Springfield version for. This is a quality piece, and worth every bit of $425.
Oh and by the way, I'm getting really tired of it being referred to as a "Glock" knock off. First, it uses a true S/A action (based on the Browning Model 10), not the 2/3 cocked action of Glock. It has a slightly lighter, shorter, and crisper trigger pull. The barrels are of premium bar stock from Bohler. Bohler hammer forges and rifles the barrels, before shipping them to Croatia for final finishing. The polymer frame is made from high end BASF Ultramyd 66 compound.
It's great grand daddy was the PHP ('91), which evolved into the HS95 (very SIG 226 like), which eventually became the HS2000 ('98). The only features this pistol has in common with a Glock, are a frame of polymer type material, a split trigger and stricker. The HS2000/Springfield XD shares far more with SIG, Walther & Browning, than it ever will with Glock.