How would you identify an intruder. Conn shooting

[Slopemeno]

I think we all have a sneaking suspicion what Jr. was up to.

And I don't consider this a "no-win". The father could have stayed inside and called the police. The "bad-guy" was still outside of the females house.

I'd be interested to see if there were other reports in their neighborhood of a masked prowler.

 

[youngunz4life]

I think more people would be backing this guy up if he had shot a BG that wasn't his flesh and blood but was confirmed to be a serial rapist and sometimes murderer.

Blaming this guy is wrong and basically couch potato monday mrng quarterbacking. He tried to do the right thing. He probably received an extremely frantic phonecall...most women and people know many times these frantic calls are happening while the woman is shot dead. At any rate, one would have to ask the dad what his thoughts were when he pulled the trigger. I guess he feared for his life, but I am sure he is monday mrng quarterbacking it himself. This doesn't change the outcome.

 

[youngunz4life]

I think we all have a sneaking suspicion what Jr. was up to

for all we know he was trying to steal the 18pack of michelob he knew was in the fridge & his "bright idea" about the ski mask was to make sure the family didn't recognize him in his 'worst case scenario'.

The "bad-guy" was still outside of the females house

I am sure he didn't have all the facts when the incident occured.

 

[Double Naught Spy]

I think we all have a sneaking suspicion what Jr. was up to.

Okay, what was he up to?

The "bad-guy" was still outside of the females house

The good guy (step father and brother) was asked by the neighbor sister to investigate a possible burglar (prowler). Being a good brother and taking care of family, he did so. So he was 100% in the right for what he was doing there. He found the prowler who is our bad guy stepson. When that happened, the all black and ski-masked bad guy came at the good guy with a knife. There was a scuffle. The bad guy was killed.
http://www.newstimes.com/policereports/article/Cops-Father-didn-t-realize-he-shot-son-3902162.php

ALL of the legal aspects for self defense are covered. It does not matter that the bad guy was outside the female's house because he posed a threat to the good guy.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/...killed-father-jeffrey-giuliano_n_1925224.html

As for reports of a masked prowler in the neighborhood recently, nothing shows up in the local newspaper's police blotter.

 

[Pistolgripshotty]

A "house gun" should have a light on it.

Enough said in my opinion.

 

[shortwave]

I understand what John is saying about 'choices'.

Naturally, most everything we consciously do is done by our own choice to do so.

I also understand that there are circumstances in which I will inject myself into a situation that some may question. If my family is involved and there is an incident the same as the one the OP started this thread over. You can bet I'll be there for that family member(s).

The scenario MLeake referred to with having an elderly relative downstairs. I was in that situation for twelve years with my father and you can bet if an intruder would have got into the house downstairs, I would do what I had to to protect dad.

These ARE 'choices' that I would have made but I don't think they are wrong choices but are more normal choices and I believe most would do the same.

Has it been confirmed that the neighbor was in fact the shooters sister?

If so, under the same 'known' circumstances, I would have done the same as this dad did. Armed myself and headed straight next door to her house. My intentions would have been get into her house and stay with her till LEO arrived or escort her back to my house depending on if my family was there alone and wait on LEO.

Many years ago, the ex and I lived next door to an elderly lady(Mrs. Bishop) in which we became very fond of. At least once a month, in the wee hours of the morning, Mrs.Bishop called our house reporting noises she had heard outside or saw somebody looking in her window or smelled electrical wiring burning, etc.
Mrs. Bishop knew all the local LEO's on a first name bases and I nor LEO ever found a sign of any problem. She spent many nights with us as we figured she just got scared at night.

Whatever her reason for calling, I always asked her if her doors were locked and told her to turn all inside and outside lights on and we did the same before I went over there.

 

[Slopemeno]

The father mistook the urge to "do something" for "do something NOW". Stay inside. Call 911. Say "Suspect Present".

I also bet he didn't head over to her house to enter the door, but to sweep the exterior of the house and find the prowler.

 

[shortwave]

I think we all have a sneaking suspicion what Jr. was up to.

I also bet he didn't head over to her house to enter the door, but to sweep the exterior of the house and find the prowler.

Slopeman,

With respect, we can assume what the boy and dads intentions were all day long but reality is, given the current lack of publicized facts, we don't know the intentions of either.

 

[TailGator]

A "house gun" should have a light on it.

So now we see an illuminated masked person approaching us with a knife. Do our reactions change?

 

[youngunz4life]

there are pros and cons to everything. personally, I don't want the light

 

[allaroundhunter]

How would you identify an intruder?

How would I identify an intruder? With my flashlight.

This father did correctly identify a threat, and reacted accordingly. It is not his job to determine who is under the mask, just to determine whether the masked man is a threat or not. He did, and he reacted as most any logical person would.

I am very sorry and empathetic for the father.....this is about as bad as a "good shoot" can get.

Let me just say this, and I'm inviting a WORLD of poo on myself here but here goes.

OC spray, I've been hit with it to get certified for an armed security job which I ended up not taking. It SUCKS and is almost immediately debilitating.

While OC spray can be a viable option in some situations, when you are being attacked by an armed assailant is not the time nor the place to deploy it if you have better options (like a firearm).

 

[Conn. Trooper]

There was a home invasion/rape in the area a few weeks prior. It was in the news and the area was on edge.

This town has constables that work under the Resident Trooper. I do not believe they are a full 24 hour department. Sadly, we are it in the rural areas of CT, there are no sheriffs, and few towns in the sticks have 24 hour coverage. People in these areas know this, and know that help can be a long time coming. One of the patrols at my Troop is almost 45 minutes from one end to the other. I don't know if that is what happened here, I am purely speculating.

The kid did have a knife, and was in a black ski mask. I have spoken to the major crime squad guys. From what they told me, it appears to be as reported in the news. A tragedy all around.