How would you identify an intruder. Conn shooting

What was the kid doing running around the neighbor's house in the middle of the night wearing dark clothing and a ski mask?

The father confronted someone wearing a black ski mask and black clothing and then fired his gun when the person went at him with a shiny weapon in his hand, police said.
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I blame the kid who was shot in this case. I feel for the father.
 
I remember a case where a father shot and killed his daughter .The daughter did something stupid and died as a result .Kids do those things at times.
She was well aware that her father had a gun and had the will to use it .He later said that under the same circumstances he would do the same .

Sadly it's sometimes very difficult to get through to kids.Recently a local trooper was very frustrated when he investigated a fatal car crash .The dead were two kids that had been in the safe driving class he had just given.:(
 
Anyone wearing a mask would make me *very* suspicious. What's this kid doing outside his female neighbors house in the dark at 1:00 AM?

Remember all those threads where we keep encouraging people to "stay in the house and call the police"? Wonder why? I'm not saying the outcome might have been any different, but imagine what the father is going through..
 
This occured outside the home, maybe he should have used more caution.
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from what I understand andor have read at this point, his son(15yrs old) turned and made a beeline towards him when confronted with what at least appeared to be something shiny.

Bad Mistake

I can't help but wonder if this kid FORGOT he had a mask on. Too late now. I hope this man doesn't blame himself. I know he just wants his son back. They aren't planning to press charges BUT they are doing a check to make sure this firearm was legally registered in CT(they live on the border of NY). They said results from probe will take a week. I believe he will face charges for that issue if it comes back incorrect.
 
Kids do stupid things. Adults have to make rapid decisions in situations like this. Was the kid responding to his fathers commands by coming to him? We'll never know. What was the kid doing out? Lots of questions left open, but that doesn't help the father as he lives with the results of his decision to act.

Part of any family training regarding firearms in the home should include repeated instructions on what to do (as a kid) when caught in a bad situation. Hands up and submissive and identify yourself when confronted, even if you aren't going to escape discipline.

This is a real "No-Win" situation...and the media and the legal system will only screw it up more and do further harm to the family.
 
Fear is the problem here

We used to run around the neighborhood at night playing tag all the time. Now you have to worry a homeowner will shoot you if you hide in their bushes. Statistically crime is down yet the informational age has so "enlightened us to the possibilities" many think the worst case scenario when they hear a noise outside. The father's sister called him when she detected a prowler. Call the cops first. He should of just gone over and sat with her till they got there. How could you live with yourself after doing something like this? I couldn't.
Identifying an intruder? - easy someone you don't recognize in a place you don't expect them. now recognizing a credible threat thats the real question. for sure one should not go looking for it.
 
Nimrod: I doubt you were playing tag at 1:00 AM with masks on.

I agree his sister should have called the cops. He should have. But he didn't.

Given that, it still seems he need not be charged. He was protecting his sister.
 
Statistically crime is down...
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You talkin National,State or Local stats?

Too, guess that depends on where ya live and stats don't mean a thing to a person/persons currently being victimized.


posted by kraigwy:

What was the kid doing running around the neighbor's house in the middle of the night wearing dark clothing and a ski mask?

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The father confronted someone wearing a black ski mask and black clothing and then fired his gun when the person went at him with a shiny weapon in his hand, police said.
I blame the kid who was shot in this case. I feel for the father.
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Agree with what kraigwy posted

Not that the boy couldn't have sneaked out of the house but one has to wonder where the parents thought this 15yr. old was at 1:00A.M.

A truly tragic event.

Prayers goin out to dad and family.
 
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Sad sad story and my prayers go out to the family.

That being said.. I would never leave the realtive safety of my home to confront someone outside. I would consider that a mistake but each person must judge their specific situation. Its really hard for me to understand why the teen didnt just speak to his father. Why run at him in the dark? I dont fault the father for feeling theatened.. I would have felt threatened as well.

A unwanted person outside my home is a trespasser.
A person entering my home without invitation is an intruder.
 
I was just recalling to my wife the other day how these days kids have so much less respect for other people's property and clueless about the danger of trespassing. When I was a kid in the 60s in a rural area we pretty much expected if we were caught messing around on someone's yard or house late at night that we ran the risk of getting a load of salt or shot, and rightly so.

When we snuck out we stayed on the roads, our properties, community land, or vacant or open fields. We knew better than to prowl around someone's yard or house.
 
+1 NWPilgrim

There was six of us boys and we did our share of sneaking out and not being where we were supposed to be when we got into our teens but things were often handled a bit different back then.

Example, at age 16, went to stay with a buddy of mine. We knew of an un-chaperoned party goin on at a school mates house. My buddy parents nor my parents let us run around with this particular school mate cause the boy was always in trouble.

We sneaked out and went to the party , were drinking and having a big time till my buddies dad showed up. He proceeded to snatch a knot in my buddy's and my butt. His dad then drove to my house, marched me up to the front door by the nape of the neck, knocked on the door and explained to my dad what was going on.
All this was about 2-2:30 in the morning.

Let me just tell ya that dad didn't like being woke up at that hour. Especially with dumb stuff. :rolleyes:

Think I had a full beard by the time I was no longer grounded.... and split firewood every night and weekends till I could have won 1st place in a lumberjack contest. Think we heated the house with the wood I split for the next ten years. :D

Can still remember dad walking past as I would be splitting saying to me " just think, if you would have stayed where you had permission to be you would have 5 helpers(brothers) out here with ya".

Mom and Dad were big on trust but both believed very strongly that trust was earned, not given.
 
A "house gun" should have a light on it. Would not have helped much in this case since the kid had a mask one. However, may have helped a bit and it's good to blind a drunk/druggy for a bit rather than having to shoot them.
 
I believe in most states wearing a mask to covers one face, if not for costume partys, itself is a felony to conceal of the identity of the person. So that of itself is a crime.
 
Originally posted by TheNocturnus:
Tell them to cease what they are doing, tell them the police are on the way. Tell them if they do not stop, they will be shot.
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If there is time to verbally confront an attacker, then this ^ is the appropriate response. "IF" being the key word here. In a stressful situation such as an individual, dressed in all black and a ski mask, lunging at you with a weapon, I feel that taking the time to verbally address the situation could get you hurt.

Originally posted by Kraigwy: What was the kid doing running around the neighbor's house in the middle of the night wearing dark clothing and a ski mask?
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This ^ is a good question.
 
In this situation, the mask was odd.

In winter in New England, a ski mask would not be unusual.

Articles of clothing have to be viewed in context.
 
I believe in most states wearing a mask to covers one face, if not for costume partys, itself is a felony to conceal of the identity of the person. So that of itself is a crime.
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States(and some City's) vary widely as to the ruling of this law including whether it's a felony or misdemeanor. Too, in the states/city's where it is a felony, it's usually a felony only in restricted areas and locations. A misdemeanor in unrestricted areas.
 
I dated a lady Corrections Officer who worked pretty crazy hours. She would get off work, come over, take a shower and crawl in bed. Several times, she tried to sneak in without waking me and I put a stop to that. I told her that if she was challenged, respond immediately in a loud voice as I was going to open fire! She took it seriously and we had no further problems.

Now, I have Jake, my Toy Fox Terrier who alerts if someone is 50 feet away from the house! The boy has radar ears and misses nothing! I'm certain that Jake would protect me in the event a BG tried to enter and he can tell friend from foe. If Jake barks, I am armed!

I live in rural Texas and protecting your own home is how it is here. Cops arrive just to make reports, later. With that in mind, there's no wonder why our crime rate is extremely low here! My neighbors and I are all armed, are very close and look after each other. Bad guys don't like that.

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