I went to work in Hillsdale, MI in 1986, worked there for fourteen more years. There was a commercial fireworks plant just outside Hillsdale. During the time I worked in Hillsdale, the place blew-up twice...both times killing people. They were trained and did the research. Therefore, it would seem reasonable that this board takes umbrage at people asking about gun-related processes that are inherently not safe to the point of being foolhardy despite a person's insistence otherwise.
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How to make Dragon's Breath
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Greg Mercurio
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Why do you guys entertain trolls?
He tipped his hand in #6.
He tipped his hand in #6.
Sorry guys, but it's hard for me to fathom the hate you are heaping on a guy that asked some simple questions. He didn't ask for anything that would harm you, but he has been called stupid for even considering trying what some might consider fun.
I personally don't have any desire to try something like he is attempting, but why call him names and heap the hate on him?
I personally don't have any desire to try something like he is attempting, but why call him names and heap the hate on him?
deerslayer303
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I myself don't understand all the hostile chastising the OP received for simply asking for info. It is his perogative if he wants to attempt such a feat. As far as what's in them? I bet it's nothing but magnesium. The trick is to see if the magnesium sits in a plastic shot cup / wad or if it sits on top of fiber wads, etc. I would think the way the shell is constructed is crucial to the magnesium being ignited as it travels down the bore. Once that is figured out you could load a shell by weight and try it. This is all hypothetical and IF I were to attempt it, it would be fired from the gun WITHOUT me holding it! But I'm interested in how you make out, so keep us posted and maybe linked to a video. Be safe and have fun.
Have you guys never lost your patience with your kids when they were jumping off of the roof or doing illegal stuff?
Three points.
Dragons breath is illegal in many states. Creating explosives or incendiary devices, ditto the boards rules clearly forbid discussion of any activity that is illegal in any jurisdiction of state or federal codes.
He gave no hint of what safety precautions he was going to take, other than if he destroys a barrel, hell get another one.
If he gets one to work, or even twenty, does it prove that they are safe? I suspected that he may have plans to distribute them, and I suspect that he will not knock himself out making absolutely sure that there's no colLateral damage. Will he have a half dozen people hanging around when one of them fails? These we r e invented and designed by engineers.
He has, furthermore, promised to share his designs on the internet. Think about this. Less than half of America's people are above average intelligence. There are going to be LOTS of genuinely stupid people exposed to that video. Many will try it. Some will add Drano so they can get pretty colors. Does it sound like a good idea, having a thirteen year old boy working in the basement while the folks are away, making these?
So, is it okay for him to carry out these probably irresponsible plans, putting people in danger?
Not on my watch. Shooting is supposed to be the domain of responsible people. This seems to be very irresponsible. If I caught my son doing that, I might have gone as far as calling the police and let him sit in juvenile custody for 48 hours. No price is too high to keep him from setting off an accidental explosion or maiming himself.
It's a darned shame that so many people believe that I should just stand by and let this go without doing everything possible to discourage him. Yes, I've added him to my prayers. Both for safety and finding wisdom.
Three points.
Dragons breath is illegal in many states. Creating explosives or incendiary devices, ditto the boards rules clearly forbid discussion of any activity that is illegal in any jurisdiction of state or federal codes.
He gave no hint of what safety precautions he was going to take, other than if he destroys a barrel, hell get another one.
If he gets one to work, or even twenty, does it prove that they are safe? I suspected that he may have plans to distribute them, and I suspect that he will not knock himself out making absolutely sure that there's no colLateral damage. Will he have a half dozen people hanging around when one of them fails? These we r e invented and designed by engineers.
He has, furthermore, promised to share his designs on the internet. Think about this. Less than half of America's people are above average intelligence. There are going to be LOTS of genuinely stupid people exposed to that video. Many will try it. Some will add Drano so they can get pretty colors. Does it sound like a good idea, having a thirteen year old boy working in the basement while the folks are away, making these?
So, is it okay for him to carry out these probably irresponsible plans, putting people in danger?
Not on my watch. Shooting is supposed to be the domain of responsible people. This seems to be very irresponsible. If I caught my son doing that, I might have gone as far as calling the police and let him sit in juvenile custody for 48 hours. No price is too high to keep him from setting off an accidental explosion or maiming himself.
It's a darned shame that so many people believe that I should just stand by and let this go without doing everything possible to discourage him. Yes, I've added him to my prayers. Both for safety and finding wisdom.
I am not in favor of this project, but this . . .
. . . isn't the standard here, or we wouldn't be able to discuss concealed carry, magazines holding more than 10 rounds, or any of the handguns that don't meet the standards of California and Massachusetts.
Your other arguments are cogent, though.
the boards rules clearly forbid discussion of any activity that is illegal in any jurisdiction of state or federal codes.
. . . isn't the standard here, or we wouldn't be able to discuss concealed carry, magazines holding more than 10 rounds, or any of the handguns that don't meet the standards of California and Massachusetts.
Your other arguments are cogent, though.
Well, I go on vacation for a week and it seems we run amok.
A misconception should be corrected. The fact something can be sold to the public does not mean it contains nothing that requires licensing to buy in its raw form. Double-base smokeless powder, for example, contains both nitrocellulose and nitroglycerin, either one of which takes proper licensing to purchase. It's just that the final form of the manufactured powder is safe to handle and does not present the kinds of explosive hazards of its raw materials do.
That also means if one does not know how to make a dragon's breath shell in the first place (and I do not), it cannot be guaranteed it doesn't contain raw materials that are hazardous or require a license of some sort to acquire and store. I just don't know. What I do know is that people developing products like this take special precautions that amateurs may fail to anticipate, such as confining the work to a small separate outbuilding to prevent an accident spreading fire. It can be more dangerous than you might at first suspect; but it also may not be. I just don't know.
Since this is not a standard reloading activity of any kind, absent someone on the board knowing someone involved in the commercial manufacture of these devices, we may never know the exact truth about this particular item. Since nobody with that information has come forward and since the thread is leading mainly to acrimony and various violations of the board policy against personal attacks and uncomplimentary characterizations, I will close it, asking anyone with specific knowledge about these devices and necessary safety and licensing precautions regarding their manufacture to contact the poster by P.M. with that information.
I will add that in general, we discourage discussions of potentially dangerous practices. In this case we don't really know if the manufacture is a dangerous practice, but have reason to be cautious. We do know any pyrotechnic items, including perfectly legal surplus tracer ammunition and even steel jacketed ammo striking sparks on stones, much less Tannerite, can present fire or other hazards under some circumstances, so there is no doubt cautions about use of such things are always legitimate to mention as a matter of fact, though it is not acceptable to do so as a comment on anybody's native intelligence.
A misconception should be corrected. The fact something can be sold to the public does not mean it contains nothing that requires licensing to buy in its raw form. Double-base smokeless powder, for example, contains both nitrocellulose and nitroglycerin, either one of which takes proper licensing to purchase. It's just that the final form of the manufactured powder is safe to handle and does not present the kinds of explosive hazards of its raw materials do.
That also means if one does not know how to make a dragon's breath shell in the first place (and I do not), it cannot be guaranteed it doesn't contain raw materials that are hazardous or require a license of some sort to acquire and store. I just don't know. What I do know is that people developing products like this take special precautions that amateurs may fail to anticipate, such as confining the work to a small separate outbuilding to prevent an accident spreading fire. It can be more dangerous than you might at first suspect; but it also may not be. I just don't know.
Since this is not a standard reloading activity of any kind, absent someone on the board knowing someone involved in the commercial manufacture of these devices, we may never know the exact truth about this particular item. Since nobody with that information has come forward and since the thread is leading mainly to acrimony and various violations of the board policy against personal attacks and uncomplimentary characterizations, I will close it, asking anyone with specific knowledge about these devices and necessary safety and licensing precautions regarding their manufacture to contact the poster by P.M. with that information.
I will add that in general, we discourage discussions of potentially dangerous practices. In this case we don't really know if the manufacture is a dangerous practice, but have reason to be cautious. We do know any pyrotechnic items, including perfectly legal surplus tracer ammunition and even steel jacketed ammo striking sparks on stones, much less Tannerite, can present fire or other hazards under some circumstances, so there is no doubt cautions about use of such things are always legitimate to mention as a matter of fact, though it is not acceptable to do so as a comment on anybody's native intelligence.
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