How to make Dragon's Breath

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People who just kind of mixed up stuff hoping for a favorable outcome used to be called alchemists. Seems not to be a popular career track these days, but maybe the OP can get something started.

A guy here was making "big tube firecrackers". His estranged wife turned him in for bombmaking. The feds checked him out but they lost interest in his firecrackers when they found his DIY SMGs. Seems one thing had led to another in the search for thrills.
 
My brother once asked me how to make grenade for his shotgun, I advised him, years later swore at myself in every possible language. Sure, it can be done, and I thought him how to make some that would have worked, but after a few years, I realized how stupid I had been. Even the alliant s m art rifle, with hundreds of engineers working on the smart grenade had too many catastrophic failures to release the early versions.
 
Btw, I suspect that you will be banned soon.
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Why ban someone for asking a question. People do dumb things al the time, I've even done a few, who hasn't. I'm not saying playing with explosives is a great idea especially for someone not familiar with chemical reaction rates and the forces unleashed when they do, and they will, ignite. I was fortunate to have an excellent chemistry teacher in high school. We made our own fireworks for July 4th but we learned how to do it from a trained chemist and did it safely. The problem is today people ted to act on a whim and start experimenting without doing the research first. Thermite is easy to make and control if used correctly but can easily get out of control. It can easily melt through a steel safe underwater. Might could be it could cause a few blisters and the fumes can be toxic.

I would recommend caution and not experimenting especially when there are professionally made options that are relatively safe. As far as banning, why?
 
I'm thinking more about his hostile comments about slaves and so forth because he was advised not to risk the lives and health of not only himself, but any spectators that he will Almost certainly involve in his testing. If you don't like what you hear when you ask a question, remember that you are the one who asked it, the answers were not thrown out randomly.

For that matter, insisting that something is safe in the face of both common sense and the advice of experienced people is an irresponsible thing, and handing out irresponsible advice may go against the policies here. We have regulations regarding posting dangerous load details that he may have violated, but that particular issue is the responsibility of the administration.

Even the roadrunner cartoons had an episode that featured a "don't try this at home" sign.
 
A lot of hatters out there. Like I said, it is legal. The material I buy doesn't require any licenses. If it did I couldn't buy it. Who knows maybe that's why the Dragon's Breath hasn't worked for me yet. Maybe the material that is used requires a licence to buy and I'll never get it.

As far as the hatters go, America has turned into a nanny state. I'm talking all safety precautions, as much as you can when dealing with things like gun powder and magnesium.

I think a lot of people out there are jealous. Once I get this load right, I'm going to put it on YouTube, and then all the haters can blast me on there too. It's America right? Freedom of speech. Bring it on.
 
http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...7F059EB635BBB61A0E6A7F059EB635BBB61&FORM=VIRE

This is why people are telling you to not do stupid crap. I'm a new Reloader and its no joke. I have a buddy who reloaded 45lc and blew cases apart and almost the gun.

I don't see why your so adamant about doing this and then run your mouth to people who tell you that you shouldn't do it because its stupid and can get you and what I'm more concerned about is other people or their property.

The people who make these rounds are chemist not some punk kid in mom and dads basement thinking he is. I'm usually soft spoken when it comes to things but it seems like to me your one of the tough guy behind a keyboard types.

Just because something exist such as FACTORY dragons breath ammo doesn't mean you should try and make it.

this is America and we have laws, freedom of speech, freedom of opinion and freedom to tell you that what your doing will get you hurt. a lot of these guys on here are probably 3x yours and my age and know what they are talking about.
 
There you have the reason that I personally would send you packing. We've asked you to behave responsibly, told you that it's a really bad idea, tried to protect you from yourself, and YOU seem to be determined to do something like this. A guy in England had his mate shoot him with a shotgun to test his plastic body armor.

You respond to people saying don't do it, offering warnings, pointing out the consequences of badly planned ideas badly, throwing out words like slaves and haters, and even hinting that our true patriotism is just cowardice.

You seem to be a genuine, dyed in the wool, unrepentant and bullheaded example of the people who live in the western foothills of mount bell curve, somewhere between the two lovely hamlets of Darwin heights a and malthus city.

Sorry, there you have it, I've said something rather hateful, but face it. I worked for decades in psychology and know my way around diagnostic tools, and that is a fair clinical assessment, and you would be very, very wise to spend a little time truly, carefully examining four motives, your reasoning, your behaviors. It would be a great idea to talk to your chemistry teacher, parents, a minister, FUNERAL DIRECTOR, or even better, a cop.

I really hope that you're just a thirteen year old troll who came here just to cause trouble.

Btw, I'm sorry, but if you did this in my presence, ignored my advice, badly wounded yourself, I'd be tempted to just toss a tarp over you and cover you with brush.

I'm through feeding your ego and providing you with the golden opportunity to spit out your ill advised comments. Please don't be an a$$hat and do this. I just took a moment and said a prayer for you
 
This is getting old quick. I asked a question about a specialty load. Some people responded constructively. Others negative comments in the guise of safety advice. But like I said it is America, freedom of speech. I’ll just scroll past your post. I like how it is suggested I be banned from the sight when people are personally insulting me. It’s all good though, I have thick skin. For the record I’m a grown man, and I live in my own house I purchased. I severed my time in the Army, been in combat, and have even been blasted by an IED. I’ve worked with EOD teams, disposing of highly explosive items. Also for the record I am this abrasive in real life. In most cases I say what is on my mind, if people don’t like it, once again it is a free country.

I am using all safety precautions when dealing with these materials, and I am well within the law. I was just looking for information on how to do something, instead many people, the same people from other posts, post the same garbage. If anyone was really concerned with safety, they would give constructive safety advise: Wear the proper equipment, have the proper fire extinguisher on hand, be in the proper lab environment. But no, it’s all just “it’s too dangerous don’t do it.”

Here is what will happen. I’m going to find the right material, load and test it with proper safety precautions. Then make a YouTube video explaining how to do it
 
TEC - I'm not against it - I reload shotgun shells; that said:

The material I buy doesn't require any licenses.
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Neither did the stuff that Tim McVeigh bought.

Be careful, find the proper loading data and do it safely. I have seen videos of DG in use, I find it amusing to watch. Not to MY personal liking, but if it blows your skirt up, go for it. Do use caution and take precautions and post a video when you're done.
 
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But like I said it is America, freedom of speech.
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You've said a lot of incorrect things, but this one is in my opinion about the stupidest one so far.

Hopefully you're smarter about your "Dragon's Breath" silliness than you are about your constitutional rights.

Freedom of Speech has nothing to do with your postings on a privately owned internet forum. If the owners of this forum don't like what you post, you and your posts are history and there is nothing you can do about it.
 
You guys are awfully rough on a new poster coming here for help.

I've lived on the fringe most of my life, and see nothing wrong the OP's search for information. tecj9, you might try some of the pyrotechnics forums, those guys make their own stuff all the time, and will have sources for all the chemicals needed.
 
WOW this has gone where no poster has gone before!

I don't support the OP doing what he's doing but its his life. If you don't like it say so but no reason for name calling and such. I think he may be making a mistake but would rather reason with the OP than start a name calling contest. I would be more inclined to bash the name callers than the OP. At least the OP sought advice but advice given in a gentlemanly fashion would probably be better received.

It can be done safely but even with proper safe guards things can still go horribly wrong. Remember the incident a few years back when the leading fireworks manufacturer with worlds of knowledge and hands on experience was blown up in his plant. They think static electricity caused it. Also the fumes of ignition can be toxic as well. Get the MSDSs and be certain of what you are doing before you kill yourself, loved ones or even strangers.

OK, I'm off the soap box.
 
Agreed


After a bit of thought I would add a protective sleeve on the gun barrel.

Maybe heavy pipe, schedule 80 or the like.

I know it has not a lot of capability, but if something happens and it exits the barrel, the gap takes the pressure off and then can direct the force

Of course some though needed on the gunner end as said pressure and whatever else can go that way if no seal.
 
Don't understand how the flash, or bang, could be ignited by the lifting charge downrange. Fourth of July Fireworks technology.

Used to be a factory loading called (grackle ?). Those charges propelled 'something' downrange that ignited. Think an aerial Cherry bomb firecracker. It, like the Carbide Cannon, was supposed to be used to convince Crows to gather/nest elsewhere.
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I loved the Carbide Cannons! As kids of course we combined the cannon with a mini bowling set of pins that the small end went down the barrel quite nicely.

Our very own erratic projectile!


Minerals: Do get a book on minerals, there are also tests that you can run yourself.

Going from memory, they had a scratch test that would get you pretty close to a hardness. Said hardness would eliminate or confirm what mineral you are dealing with.

Common things like penny etc that had know hardness. Not exact but close.

I think there were some other tests that helped narrow it down.

Between the tests and appearance you should be able to get close (assumes its not a mix of things)
 
You guys are awfully rough on a new poster coming here for help.
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I gotta agree. If the materials to make Dragon's breath were illegal or highly dangerous, the manufacturer would not be able to sell Dragon's Breath shells, retail, to the general public. The effect from them seems to be very similar to those children's 4th of July fountains that are legal everywhere. Chemicals used to create the effect are probably just as similar. While I see no legitimate reason for Dragon's Breath shells myself, there seems to be enough folks out there that do, that there is a market demand to manufacture them.

Foolish idea or not, one can give fair warning without being a jerk. I doubt the OP will be banned unless some others here will be banned also because of the so called "hostile comments". Odds are the thread may be closed, but I see no actions here taken by the OP that are any more offensive than some of the replies. All the trash talk here may be in vain as the cost of materials, the process or specific equipment needed may make the cost of buying ready made "dragon's breath" more feasible if one is only looking to shoot a few a year.
 
Here's an idea:
1) Disassemble round
2) Take a sample of the projectiles to a chemical lab for analysis

Then you will know what the stuff is.
 
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