How to Close "The Loophole"... White House Style

Simpler to just require the NICS check at all gun shows, there are plenty of FFL tables there, one or two of them can take on the duty. The seller and buyer can exchange a receipt and write the NICS approval number on it, there is all the evidence of the check having been made anyone needs.

For non-gun show private sales, I don't see any way to require a NICS check without being present at an FFL location, unless you can call up an FFL, get the check performed, and pay for the service over the phone.
 
A warning, I have deleted and edited some posts and prose that were inappropriate. If you were affected, common sense says why.

If we go that route again, action will be more severe.
 
assuming the number is 50 a year that makes you a dealer, and you seil 35 a year, the ATF might not bother you, but the IRS might.
But, as another poster said, how is the ATF going to know how many you sell, since you won't have (need) a license.

Rick
 
BarryLee
However, not sure how we could ever enforce a mandatory background check on face-2-face sells without a national registry
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first, we'll close the gun show loophole, then we'll close the face to face loophole, THEN comes registration b/c criminals and suddenly-crazy people will still have guns.

Not arguing or critiquing. Just predicting.
 
The thing that really bothers me about this whole mess: Why do I need the Government's permission to sell my private property to another private person?
 
According to CNN 5 minutes ago,

"...it doesn't matter if it's 1 gun or 50.
If you're in the business.... can't hide
behind being a collector..." etc., etc.

This will be an absolute mess, folks. No one's going to really
know, but everyone will be running scared.

Meanwhile... Hillary notes "...warned any executive action was likely to fall
short the comprehensive reform favored by most in her party.

"We've got to act," she said, "but I don't think that's enough and I think
we're going to have to keep pushing forward on the political front and
I intend to do that, to take on the gun lobby and to work with responsible
gun owners."

Oh yes... responsible gun owners.

Buzzwords that increasingly trigger the cringe reflex:
- "Responsible"
- "Common Sense"
- "Reform"
 
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There we have it, 'comprehensive reform' has come to gun control, just like immigration. Mendacious buzzwords that really mean, 'repeal'.
 
So now this administration is requiring FFLs, while the previous administration from the same party did every thing they could to reduce the number of FFLs by making them as difficult as possible to get.
 
Here's the text just posted on whitehouse website.
Other than Lynch writing some letters, there's nothing new other than potentially reclassifying whose a dealer and tighten that up some.



Keep guns out of the wrong hands through background checks
The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) is making clear that it doesn’t matter where you conduct your business—from a store, at gun shows, or over the Internet: If you’re in the business of selling firearms, you must get a license and conduct background checks.
ATF is finalizing a rule to require background checks for people trying to buy some of the most dangerous weapons and other items through a trust, corporation, or other legal entity.
Attorney General Loretta E. Lynch has sent a letter to States highlighting the importance of receiving complete criminal history records and criminal dispositions, information on persons disqualified because of a mental illness, and qualifying crimes of domestic violence.
The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) is overhauling the background check system to make it more effective and efficient. The envisioned improvements include processing background checks 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, and improving notification of local authorities when certain prohibited persons unlawfully attempt to buy a gun. The FBI will hire more than 230 additional examiners and other staff to help process these background checks.
Make our communities safer from gun violence
The Attorney General convened a call with U.S. Attorneys around the country to direct federal prosecutors to continue to focus on smart and effective enforcement of our gun laws.
The President’s FY2017 budget will include funding for 200 new ATF agents and investigators to help enforce our gun laws.
ATF has established an Internet Investigation Center to track illegal online firearms trafficking and is dedicating $4 million and additional personnel to enhance the National Integrated Ballistics Information Network.
ATF is finalizing a rule to ensure that dealers who ship firearms notify law enforcement if their guns are lost or stolen in transit.
The Attorney General issued a memo encouraging every U.S. Attorney’s Office to renew domestic violence outreach efforts.
Increase mental health treatment and reporting to the background check system
The Administration is proposing a new $500 million investment to increase access to mental health care.
The Social Security Administration has indicated that it will begin the rulemaking process to include information in the background check system about beneficiaries who are prohibited from possessing a firearm for mental health reasons.
The Department of Health and Human Services is finalizing a rule to remove unnecessary legal barriers preventing States from reporting relevant information about people prohibited from possessing a gun for specific mental health reasons.
Shape the future of gun safety technology
The President has directed the Departments of Defense, Justice, and Homeland Security to conduct or sponsor research into gun safety technology
The President has also directed the departments to review the availability of smart gun technology on a regular basis, and to explore potential ways to further its use and development to more broadly improve gun safety.
 
...there's nothing new
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> Jarret then said that selling as few as “two firearms” could require
> somebody to obtain a federal firearms license. However, later in the
> call, Attorney General Lynch revised that number down further.
> “It can be as few as one or two depending upon the circumstances
> under which the person sells the gun,” Lynch said.
http://freebeacon.com/issues/obama-...ven-a-single-firearm-become-licensed-dealers/

Are we getting it folks? This isn't Law. This is Double-Secret-I'll-Know-When-I See-It....
-and-then-I'll-Ruin-You intimidation.

It's so amateurish as to be hilarious, except for it's clear intent to throw fear
in as the operative factor. Think IRS and how it operates within a set of ever-more
complex rules that NO one understands, but for which YOU can be prosecuted
for not understanding it.
 
I don't think I ever sold a gun at a profit, I mean seriously. I buy one and shoot it for a while, decide it's not for me and sell it to get something else.

I think we will see a lot more trading. If no money changes hands then nothing is sold. Folks will set up trade networks working out all kinds of no cash transactions.
 
I don't think I ever sold a gun at a profit, I mean seriously. I buy one and shoot it for a while, decide it's not for me and sell it to get something else.

I think we will see a lot more trading. If no money changes hands then nothing is sold. Folks will set up trade networks working out all kinds of no cash transactions.
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I wouldn't think so. This executive order changes nothing, in regards to expanding background checks for non NFA, as far as I can tell.
 
whirlwind said:
I don't think I ever sold a gun at a profit, I mean seriously. I buy one and shoot it for a while, decide it's not for me and sell it to get something else.
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Editted to reflect my history below:

I don't think I ever sold a gun at a profit, I mean seriously. I buy one and shoot it for a while, iron out any problems, buy some new parts for it, then bunches of junk for it, ignore it until my ADD drives me to another one decide it's not for me and sell it all at a huge loss to get something else.
 
Selling two guns/year means you need to be licensed as an FFL. Or maybe even one gun, depending upon the circumstances? I thought the anti gun rights politicians wanted fewer "table top" FFL's. During the Clinton admin., they basically took away a bunch of FFL's from people who didn't sell enough guns or only sold guns from their homes, and not from a brick and mortar store. So which way do they really want to go?
 
Actually I doubt they have plans to expand the number FFLs just reduce the number of people who can sell guns. Remember this is not about safety or crime prevention, but about making gun ownership as expensive and cumbersome as possible. By doing so they hope that many current owners will simply give up and that potential new owners will find the process so onerous they won’t even try.
 
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