How Times Have Changed
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How true. Misbehaving in class got you a spanking from the teacher and a letter sent home. When Mom read the letter, got another spanking, when Dad got home and Mom told Dad about the letter got another spanking. This was in the late 50's and early 60's. Still around today and a better person for it.
Ya' know, there are times I'm GLAD that it turned out that having kids just wasn't to be, for me. That whole PC nanny state thing just makes me want to BARF! :barf:
And the powers that be wonder why it is that home schooling and private schooling are becoming so much more popular?
And the powers that be wonder why it is that home schooling and private schooling are becoming so much more popular?
you are so right, however you don't even need to go all the way to 56'
in the third grade I brought a pocketknife to school. I was a cub scout and it stowed away in my jacket pocket. the principal told me not to bring it back. I kept it the rest of the day, brought it home and it never went back. that was in 1992.
in the third grade I brought a pocketknife to school. I was a cub scout and it stowed away in my jacket pocket. the principal told me not to bring it back. I kept it the rest of the day, brought it home and it never went back. that was in 1992.
TRUE STORY ....
My 17 year old son was sitting in the lunch room with his friends eating his lunch. Kid from a table across from them throws some kind of food package and hits one of his friends. His friend throws it back. They throw something else and it hits my son in the head. He picks it up and tosses it back at the table and hollers at them to cut it out. Kid tosses a partial bowl of cereal with milk and hits my son in the back.
My son gets up , heads over to the table . One kid gets up (not the one that threw the milk) and tries to take my son down. He pushes him away while yelling at him. The kid that hit him with the milk he starts yelling at (IMO for obvious reason) Kids all start cheering for a fight , some getting up on tables.
The kid tries to push my son who promptly shoves him away right before a teacher arrives to stop the action.
Even though they get this all on CCTV and 2 girls give statements that my kid did nothing wrong .... They charge him as an adult for disorderly conduct.
In my day , in a similar situation , I beat the heck out of a kid who picked the fight with me. Did it right on the front lawn of the school with a hundred kids watching.
My parents got a call saying the trouble maker that started the fight deserved it and had a history of starting fights.
I'll have to see my son defend himself in court.
The country has gone plain stupid. Kids can no longer be kids.
My 17 year old son was sitting in the lunch room with his friends eating his lunch. Kid from a table across from them throws some kind of food package and hits one of his friends. His friend throws it back. They throw something else and it hits my son in the head. He picks it up and tosses it back at the table and hollers at them to cut it out. Kid tosses a partial bowl of cereal with milk and hits my son in the back.
My son gets up , heads over to the table . One kid gets up (not the one that threw the milk) and tries to take my son down. He pushes him away while yelling at him. The kid that hit him with the milk he starts yelling at (IMO for obvious reason) Kids all start cheering for a fight , some getting up on tables.
The kid tries to push my son who promptly shoves him away right before a teacher arrives to stop the action.
Even though they get this all on CCTV and 2 girls give statements that my kid did nothing wrong .... They charge him as an adult for disorderly conduct.
In my day , in a similar situation , I beat the heck out of a kid who picked the fight with me. Did it right on the front lawn of the school with a hundred kids watching.
My parents got a call saying the trouble maker that started the fight deserved it and had a history of starting fights.
I'll have to see my son defend himself in court.
The country has gone plain stupid. Kids can no longer be kids.
marlboroman84
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I got into a few fights in High School and ended up at the police station once. My friend got jumped in the bathroom by 3 guys about 2 minutes before me and 2 of my buddies walked in. Took about 5 minutes to change the 3 guys minds that they didn't want to mess with us anymore. They went to the school cop who pulled the 4 of us out of class and took us to the police station.
It was standard procedure to basically arrest anyone in a fight at school. After some chatting with officers in a "formal" setting the other guys cracked and all gave different stories about who started it. Me and my friends gave the same one. The other 3 guys got disorderly conduct and expelled. We got to go home and tell our dads we beat the crap outta some guys who messed with our friend.
It was standard procedure to basically arrest anyone in a fight at school. After some chatting with officers in a "formal" setting the other guys cracked and all gave different stories about who started it. Me and my friends gave the same one. The other 3 guys got disorderly conduct and expelled. We got to go home and tell our dads we beat the crap outta some guys who messed with our friend.
To avoid derailing this thread, I will avoid pointing out that the modern way of dealing with Mary's case avoids derailing her life, and provides her with the opportunity to get a better education so she can make a better living and better care for children she does want later in life.
The rest of the cases I can agree with as examples of this country's descent into purgatory.
The rest of the cases I can agree with as examples of this country's descent into purgatory.
Ausserordeutlich
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How many school massacres were there in 1956?
really? Giving her condoms and telling her to "be more careful next time" she decides to mess around with or even date any ol' guy is helping her avoid derailing her life? Taking her to another state to give her an abortion avoids her from derailing her life with emotional regret? Avoids derailing the life of the aborted child? Avoids hurting and maybe even alienating her in one way or another from her parents?
She can't finish school with the help of a school for expected mothers, put the child up for adoption, move on with her life and wait until she is happily married and is able to adequately raise children with her beloved husband isn't prefered?
I don't see the logic or the compassion
I am so glad I grew up when I did.
9th grade another guy and I had a good one during lunch, Knocked each other down, bloody noses and mouths. We were sent to the boys councilor and talked to, no biggie. That was 1964 or so.
Well He and I went elk hunting together this fall, helped each other cut up the meat and both have some in the freezer. So much for kids fighting being very serious, long as it stays fisticuffs and when one says give it is over let em fight.
Like I said glad I grew up when I did.
2006, Mary stays in school pregnant as heck. Is what I see happening.
9th grade another guy and I had a good one during lunch, Knocked each other down, bloody noses and mouths. We were sent to the boys councilor and talked to, no biggie. That was 1964 or so.
Well He and I went elk hunting together this fall, helped each other cut up the meat and both have some in the freezer. So much for kids fighting being very serious, long as it stays fisticuffs and when one says give it is over let em fight.
Like I said glad I grew up when I did.
2006, Mary stays in school pregnant as heck. Is what I see happening.
old 12 gauge
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right on the money, I got out of school in 1956 and there was very few days when there wasn't a kid getting on the bus or walking down the hall with a rifle. we would take them to school and and clean them in shop or refinish the wood.
Now there is a full time deputy in the school and a guard patrolling the parking lot, there would probably be a blood bath if anyone even brought a stock on the property.
Now there is a full time deputy in the school and a guard patrolling the parking lot, there would probably be a blood bath if anyone even brought a stock on the property.
I was thinking about this just the other night.
I had an opportunity to watch one of the greatest shows every produced, Mary Poppins.
On commercial breaks, instead of sitting their listening about the newest and greatest crap, I flipped over to CSI:Miami.
Honest and wholesome.....to degenerated with the push of a single button.
From caring and kind, and still damn funny, to chics running around in thongs and overt sexualism.
It made me appreciate the past all the more.
I had an opportunity to watch one of the greatest shows every produced, Mary Poppins.
On commercial breaks, instead of sitting their listening about the newest and greatest crap, I flipped over to CSI:Miami.
Honest and wholesome.....to degenerated with the push of a single button.
From caring and kind, and still damn funny, to chics running around in thongs and overt sexualism.
It made me appreciate the past all the more.
petre the reason your son got in trouble is that teachers are basically telling kids if somebody punches you in the face run away and go tell on him. it aint right. that's the message the government schools are teaching our children. they don't even care who threw the first punch. violence is bad and everybody involved gets punished. :barf:
Scenario: Black family moves into upper middle class Anytown, USA
1956: Black family is insulted and berated, denied service at local establishments. Children are hounded in school, made to drink in seperate water fountains, quite possibly assaulted.
2006: Black family gets to live free, safe and secure like the whites.
Scenario: Young journalist writes an editorial wondering if capitalism is fair.
1956: Journalist is hounded by the authorities for being a communist, neighbors destroy his car but commies don't get help from the police.
2006: Freedom of speech lives on
Scenario: Man gets drunk and gives his wife two black eyes and three broken ribs
1956: He pretends to apologize, claims he loves her and tells her to make him a sandwich. Man's good buddy the sheriff makes sure no one in the town speaks of the screaming and sounds of glass breaking coming from the home.
2006: Woman realizes she is not property of any man, calls the authorities and scumbag is sent to prison.
Scenario: Tom is homosexual.
1956: Assaulted numerous times by homophobic rednecks. Never helped by the authorities. Instead a neighbor sees him buying a newspaper from the local paper boy, accuses him of being a sexual predator and the authorities look the other way when his house is lit on fire by the KKK.
2006: Tom lives a safe and secure life in San Francisco.
Scenario: Billy is disallusioned with America, notices people cheering when a Chinese man burns a flag in protest so he does the same.
1956: Treated like a criminal.
2006: Freedom of speech alive and well.
Scenario: More evidence is discovered and analyzed regarding the origins of life.
1956: Religious zealots get up in arms, demand that an invisible man in the sky makes more sense than being related to monkeys. Overall intelligence of the country is once again held back.
2006: Students learn the difference between science and dogma.
Scenario: Mary wants to leave her crummy little town and do something with her life.
1956: Mary's father beats her for thinking she can be as smart as a man, Mary's mother tells her that all women just need to find a good man to marry and not worry about college. Mary ends up barefoot and pregnant hating her life.
2006: Mary leaves behind her backwards community, gets an MBA and starts her own company making more in a year than her parents did their entire lives. Years later she has the time and money to raise a family without stress.
Shall I go on or do some of you still think that everything about the "good ole days" was better?
1956: Black family is insulted and berated, denied service at local establishments. Children are hounded in school, made to drink in seperate water fountains, quite possibly assaulted.
2006: Black family gets to live free, safe and secure like the whites.
Scenario: Young journalist writes an editorial wondering if capitalism is fair.
1956: Journalist is hounded by the authorities for being a communist, neighbors destroy his car but commies don't get help from the police.
2006: Freedom of speech lives on
Scenario: Man gets drunk and gives his wife two black eyes and three broken ribs
1956: He pretends to apologize, claims he loves her and tells her to make him a sandwich. Man's good buddy the sheriff makes sure no one in the town speaks of the screaming and sounds of glass breaking coming from the home.
2006: Woman realizes she is not property of any man, calls the authorities and scumbag is sent to prison.
Scenario: Tom is homosexual.
1956: Assaulted numerous times by homophobic rednecks. Never helped by the authorities. Instead a neighbor sees him buying a newspaper from the local paper boy, accuses him of being a sexual predator and the authorities look the other way when his house is lit on fire by the KKK.
2006: Tom lives a safe and secure life in San Francisco.
Scenario: Billy is disallusioned with America, notices people cheering when a Chinese man burns a flag in protest so he does the same.
1956: Treated like a criminal.
2006: Freedom of speech alive and well.
Scenario: More evidence is discovered and analyzed regarding the origins of life.
1956: Religious zealots get up in arms, demand that an invisible man in the sky makes more sense than being related to monkeys. Overall intelligence of the country is once again held back.
2006: Students learn the difference between science and dogma.
Scenario: Mary wants to leave her crummy little town and do something with her life.
1956: Mary's father beats her for thinking she can be as smart as a man, Mary's mother tells her that all women just need to find a good man to marry and not worry about college. Mary ends up barefoot and pregnant hating her life.
2006: Mary leaves behind her backwards community, gets an MBA and starts her own company making more in a year than her parents did their entire lives. Years later she has the time and money to raise a family without stress.
Shall I go on or do some of you still think that everything about the "good ole days" was better?
DonR101395
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RedWorm,
All of that still happens. So yes I still feel the old days were better overall.
Since we're telling true stories..............................
The year 1996, my daughter is having trouble with math so she is getting tutoring for math. Report cards come out, when she sees hers she says "My dad is going to kill me I got an F in math." A typical response for a 9 year old bringing home a bad grade. Fast forward to the next day. The Air Force Thunderbirds are in the school gym talking to kids handing out "Thunderbird stuff", my daughter decides that would be more fun than going to tutoring and goes. Her tutor calls Child Protective Services and reports what was said the day earlier and that my daughter isn't at school today. My daughter comes home on the school bus and since it's Friday I had told we would go camping at a state park about an hour from the house. She changes clothes and we leave an hour after we leave CPS and the Sheriff Dept show up and my oldest daughter tells them we went camping, they ask where, then leave. About 30 minutes at the camp site and we have two CPS investigators and four Sheriff deputies performing a "raid". They talk with my daughter after separating us, realize that nothing is wrong. Realize that she's a normal kid who wanted to see the Thunderbirds instead of learning to do long division. They have a coke, a sandwich and leave. All of this could have been avoided had the tutor walked 11 steps from her office to the attendance office to see if she had been at school the rest of the day.
I know it was 11 steps because I pointed it out to her when I went to the school that Monday to chat with her and the principle. Some people are so spring loaded to call the "authorities" that they refuse to use common sense.
I hold nothing against CPS or the Deputies, they were following up on a report of suspected abuse. The school teacher IMO is an idiot who could have found out very easily that nothing was wrong except my daughter thought pilots were more interesting than a math tutor..........go figure she was 9.
All of that still happens. So yes I still feel the old days were better overall.
Since we're telling true stories..............................
The year 1996, my daughter is having trouble with math so she is getting tutoring for math. Report cards come out, when she sees hers she says "My dad is going to kill me I got an F in math." A typical response for a 9 year old bringing home a bad grade. Fast forward to the next day. The Air Force Thunderbirds are in the school gym talking to kids handing out "Thunderbird stuff", my daughter decides that would be more fun than going to tutoring and goes. Her tutor calls Child Protective Services and reports what was said the day earlier and that my daughter isn't at school today. My daughter comes home on the school bus and since it's Friday I had told we would go camping at a state park about an hour from the house. She changes clothes and we leave an hour after we leave CPS and the Sheriff Dept show up and my oldest daughter tells them we went camping, they ask where, then leave. About 30 minutes at the camp site and we have two CPS investigators and four Sheriff deputies performing a "raid". They talk with my daughter after separating us, realize that nothing is wrong. Realize that she's a normal kid who wanted to see the Thunderbirds instead of learning to do long division. They have a coke, a sandwich and leave. All of this could have been avoided had the tutor walked 11 steps from her office to the attendance office to see if she had been at school the rest of the day.
I know it was 11 steps because I pointed it out to her when I went to the school that Monday to chat with her and the principle. Some people are so spring loaded to call the "authorities" that they refuse to use common sense.
I hold nothing against CPS or the Deputies, they were following up on a report of suspected abuse. The school teacher IMO is an idiot who could have found out very easily that nothing was wrong except my daughter thought pilots were more interesting than a math tutor..........go figure she was 9.
V4Vendetta
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This is me to a T. The public school I went to was Elementary. After that I started homeschooling. I had fights every single day even though it was Elementary school. I'll give you some examples.
1. In kindergarten* you had recesss just 30 minutes before school let out. To get to the playground from the school, you had to go down a steep hill. As recess was ending another kid came up & punched me quite hard in the back. I shoved him down the hill then. All the other kids went inside we spent the last 30 minutes of school fighting on the playground with nobody coming to stop us. I never did find out what started it.
2. This was in 4th grade. A kid who was known to be such a big trouble maker that they sent him back from the 6th grade, started a fight with me. My class had just gotten through with lunch & had to line up to go back to class. By pure coincidence I happened to be first in line. He didn't like that. I'm not sure why as there was no reward going to the first person in line it was just a line
. He started tapping me repeatedly on the shoulder. I asked him what did he want & he said nothing. I turned back around & then he started tapping me on the shoulder again. I told him to quit it. He persisted. I turned around & warned him to quit it. He didn't. Then I spun around & gave him a hard right that sent him back a few feet. He may have been bigger but I have the gift of grit & no matter how much pain I take I get right back up. I'm stubborn I reckon. Anyway during the fight I get pushed down. Then the trouble maker turned his back to me & I got him in a neck lock. Then the Teacher showed up at last & ordered us both to the principals office. It didn't matter to her that all the other kids** testified that I was in the right. As punishment, we both had to sit out in the hall for the rest of the day. I didn't mind as the only class left was Spanish class & I never liked it anyway. After the teacher left, I went to the library to read which I did enjoy
. *Yes Kindergarten was no exception.
**Even kids who were normally not friends of mine.
Really? Government sponsored segregation still happens? Where? People are still jailed for being communist? Where? Yes, some backwards country folk still see their women and children as property and beat them as such. But these days people have the ability to fight back. The "good ole days" were for the most part only good for white, protestant, straight males.
These days we have organizations like the ACLU keeping the bible out of science class, keeping Republicans out of a girl's womb, keeping Republicans out of my bedroom, making sure that women realize men are not better than them and they don't have to subjugate themselves to living worthless lives they don't want.
In the "good ole days" some of those schoolyard fights resulted in permanent disabilities or even death. In the "good ole days" parents could break the bones on the hands of their children and it was considered "discipline" as opposed to abuse. In the "good ole days" Mary would have been forced to carry a child to term even if that birth was a medical risk to her life. Mary would have been forced to raise that child on the meager salary of a waitress instead of leaving her backwoods trailer trash town and making something of her life...but of course her father would rather have that than the possibility of his daughter making eight times what he does.
In the "good ole days" Mark's principal would have shared that cigarette leading to a lifetime of addiction cut short by lung cancer. But of course in the "good ole days" corporations were not held responsible for the products they put out, even if that product caused illness and death when used as directed. In the "good ole days" a car was pumping out more pollutants during a daily commute than a modern one does over the course of a year because now those companies are also held to strict standards. In the "good ole days" a young man could be called to a war he didn't believe in and if he decided to be a true American and decline he was a criminal. In the "good ole days" Pedro would have been beaten by bigoted classmates and jailed for having a funny last name.
Yeah, some stuff about the 50s were nice. Pretty cars, good music, better gun laws. That's about it. As far as social issues our country has evolved, matured and grown wiser. Yea, there are still bigots and racists and child/spousal abusers but this day and age their victims can fight back instead of seeing criminals protected because of skin color, gender or sexual preference.
Your joking right.? Women in truth have less respect now then they once did, divorce at an all time high, children without fathers, yeah, we've matured in the twilight world.
The only area we improved is in technology and we use that to spy on citizens, morals and standards both in corporations and government continues to the bottom, yeah, we've evolved.
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