how good of a shooter are you?

So how in god's name is your premise going to see how real people shoot? They'll still be shooting whatever gun they post about, whether it's the 6" grouping shot out Mosin or some trick bolt gun with a 40X scope. So, without the same guns for everyone, pointless. Without results from as you specify compared to results with them using the same gun and all the gadgets they want, pointless.

I can't really remember the last time I shot for groups while wasting ammo by not using a bipod or a sling unless you count off-hand Highpower where I average about a sucky 90.
 
How well do I shoot?

Up to my rifle, if I don't screw up.

I have a deer rifle/load that will do 1 1/4" groups off a bench.

I can hit a deer in the chest to 460 yards.... once off sticks, and once from a squat, under time pressure- that after I messed up a moving shot off sticks at 200 ..... yeah, I screwed up.

What? I'm human.
 
I hit a Gatorade bottle 3 times at around 150 yards from kneeling using a Colt 6920 & an Aimpoint M4s shooting XM193 in a with a 5-10 MPH wind coming left to right.

It only took me about 40 rounds to do that.:p

I was certaining scaring it though prior to hitting it.:D
 
my guns

My guns are very accurate or I don't keep them.



But then they must be nice to me, allow me to shoot accurately,



or I sell them !!!
 
I haven't read all the posts, and likely someone has voiced the same opinion, but, I would almost never take an unsupported standing shot at game. It would have to be the ONLY option left to me, or it would have to be a close-up, rapid action kind of thing.
That having been said, I do practice standing shots occasionally. I don't remember actual group sizes, but it's considerably larger than my "rested" groups. Learning to time your trigger pull with your "wobble" is interesting.

Next time I'm at the range, I'll shoot some groups for size. I may or may not report back...;)
 
Joe, its a conversation about shooting. Relax. Some people don't use ten different things to stabilize their rifles. There are several posts showing quite impressive shooting without bipods, bags, etc. Not sure why you are so hung up on this. I can't standardize equipment across the forum for one question. I am operating under the premise that whatever results someone reports is going to be towards the top of their capability with their best or favorite rifle. 80 posts before you did not have a problem with it as there is no trophy or awards. Just a conversation about what you can do as a rifleman instead of what can your rifle do.
 
I can't shoot worth a crap any more. In order to sight, optics or a red dot is a must. Being old, I am not that steady any more and I am constantly looking for additional support so I have go to a shooting stick. Knowing my limitations, I try not to shoot over 100 yards. My most accurate rifle is the Savage 93R17 for Prairie Dogs which I use by standing in the bed of my pickup truck using the bipod and cab top for a rest. And a 25X scope does not hurt as well.
 
Just a conversation about what you can do as a rifleman instead of what can your rifle do.
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So, at the risk of repeating myelf, I'll repeat myself...

Why do you think someone is a better "rifleman", "marksman", "shooter"..."whatever"...simply because they can shoot itty bitty groups unsupported?

What about the guy that can consistently bang moving targets at range?

And repeating, (since this is my type of shooting), the guy that can dope a strong and inconsistent wind and hit a sub-minute target at 1000 yards? I'm not there yet, and I find that it is THE most difficult type of shooting that exists.

Neither of these, and there are others, are "just about the rifle".

They are about the shooter as well.
 
Because your premise is flawed, that's why. It is all about the gun, a crappy gun is going to shoot crappy, gadgets or not. I haven't owned a bipod in 7 years. I sat at a bench for one clip this weekend, it was awful, went back to sitting in the mud. I feel like the OP was just a feel-good deal, a want to believe all the great internet groups had a fallacy in that they were produced by artificial means.
 
Not a bad one , used to be better before Arthritis in the hands started affecting my Grip :mad:
 
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mmm I dont' think I shoot any of my rifles with out "some" support. I know this when a whitetail is in the cross hairs usually with the rifle laid on the rest of the stand he/she usually goes to the UPPA ROOOOOOOM!!! But your post has me intrigued I might hit the range thursday with the AR and see just what I can do with it. I qualify with the slush box M16's every two years from the various positions but that does say much we only shoot on a 25 yard range with the silhouette being different sizes to "simulate" different ranges.
 
Prone with my .22-250 w/bi-pod I shoot 4/5 in one big hole @120yds. I've got a pic on here. I jerked on one of them so I had to cover it with a penny instead of a dime. That's the only way I've ever shot it so I can't say what id do offhand.

I can however hit whatever, wherever I want while instinct shooting with a Red Rider BB gun. lol I also do pretty Good with my Model 52b. Although I can't remember any feats of accuracy with it.

Ill have to try some offhand shots and re-post.
 
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Some days im in the zone and can shoot 5 shot sub moa groups many times in a row.

Some days im better off plinking or saving ammo.
 
If someone is shooting 5" groups at 100 yards, this means that all shots fall no more than 2.5" from the Bullseye. That will do anything that needs doing in my book. It's nice to be able to shoot tighter, but its all showing off in reality.
 
Because your premise is flawed, that's why. It is all about the gun, a crappy gun is going to shoot crappy, gadgets or not. I haven't owned a bipod in 7 years. I sat at a bench for one clip this weekend, it was awful, went back to sitting in the mud. I feel like the OP was just a feel-good deal, a want to believe all the great internet groups had a fallacy in that they were produced by artificial means.
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I don't get your vitriol, Are you implying that since you don't shoot offhand none of us should. I don't get your point or why you are so ticked off. Is there some protocol the OP should have used that would have pleased you better? Some people like apricots and others prefer musk melon, some shoot on their hind legs and some shoot belly first in the mud and most do it a variety of ways, It's all good.
 
Ugh, detesting benches, I shoot off hand more than most and he didn't ask for offhand, any position. Further, with reading skills we'd learn that I posted my NRA highpower offhand average which is based on 10 shots at 200.

It's just a feel good post because all those cool groups on the internet would suck if they had to shoot his way. Or not. Look at the thread title. So, if we can't meet the criteria we're not a good shooter? I think the most important criteria for being a rifleman is doing what needs to be done to get the hit. If that means artificial support, a scope, a laser rangefinder, a sling, so be it.


Maybe I should have a thread where I want to see everybody's best groups but only with iron sights and a 1907 sling. Well, there go all the scope guys, there go 75% of the readers that don't know what a 1907 sling is. Oh crap, I used a web sling last weekend, guess I don't qualify for my own thread!
 
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Shooting free hand is a talent for sure.Good job to those that can do it very well. I have been shooting for 40 plus years now. I have maybe once or twice been in a situation where there was not some form of a rest or support that i could use. Be it a tree or a stick,or ect ect. For your run of the mill shooting a deer at 200 yards or so,I think 95% of us would not have a problem doing that.
To pull 3/4 inch groups at 200 yards,,,Well i would have to see it to believe it.
To a lot of us-Putting the bullet where we want it is a obbsession (sp). I for one am not happy with 3 inch groups at 200 yards or 300 yards for that matter.

I could walk but i have a bike, I could bike but i have a car. I could free hand,but i have a rest....
 
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