How does the Glock 19 and the Sig P320 Compact stack up against each other?

I can buy Glocks NIB with a little poking around for $450. Best price I gave found on a P320 is $505.

Not a huge difference but still a difference.
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I never said there was no difference, merely implied it is not what I consider to be a large difference. I responded because when people think of SIG they often think of the prices of the classic P-series pistols which typically run $800 for the basic models and easily to $1000 if we're talking an "Elite" or "Equinox" model (local prices, not online). That's a substantial difference, to me, as opposed to say a Glock.

Prices also do vary locally. Locally I cannot find a Gen 3 Glock for lower than $500 NIB and a Gen 4 Glock NIB for lower than $550. P320s with night sights tend to run around $580 here. When considering that you're getting a pistol with night sights as opposed to one that doesn't, the price difference for me is negligible at the local level. As you've pointed out, there are other options for buying and likely different prices by region too. Were I able to buy Blue Label Glocks that would also be a different story.
 
I don't know who drives me crazy more: the Glock Haters or the Glock Fanboys. But the fact that so many people are so devoted to them is prett indicative of their influence. For better or worse, the striker-fired polymer is now industry standard, and Glock played a huge role in that fact. I prefer metal-framed, hammer-fired DA/SA, so while I'm obviously not a fan, I certainly respect them. They're tough, efficient, effective little buggers.

As the market leader, Glock sets the standard by which all handguns are measured; precisely how they measure up, though, is subjective. I can't answer that for anyone but myself. Nobody here can.
 
I don't know who drives me crazy more: the Glock Haters or the Glock Fanboys. But the fact that so many people are so devoted to them is prett indicative of their influence. For better or worse, the striker-fired polymer is now industry standard, and Glock played a huge role in that fact. I prefer metal-framed, hammer-fired DA/SA, so while I'm obviously not a fan, I certainly respect them. They're tough, efficient, effective little buggers.

As the market leader, Glock sets the standard by which all handguns are measured; precisely how they measure up, though, is subjective. I can't answer that for anyone but myself. Nobody here can.
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I own a 19 as a point of reference more than anything else. I shoot it a couple of times a year but not really more than that. It does nothing wonderful but is 100% reliable and if I had to defend my life with it I am sure it would be up to the task.

I respect Glocks but am sort of indifferent towards them. I used to love Sigs but these days I am indifferent towards them as well. LOL
 
I'm not a glock fan boy--never liked the looks and have always had great results with springfield armory hand guns and ruger revolvers.

But then I bought a glock 20 to get into 10mm.

In terms of overall easy serviceability and after-market adaptability, with the possible exception of the 1911, nothing else comes close to a glock IMHO.

The more I use my 20; the more I scratch my head wondering why I need anything else in a handgun.
 
The more I use my 20; the more I scratch my head wondering why I need anything else in a handgun.
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You don't as long as its size isn't a issue for your needs. I open carry my G20 ALOT. Its a hell of a woods gun. The handgun world can be summed up to those that like the Glocks unique design and those that don't. Forever, there wasn't a Glock alternative but today we have many wonderful polymer designs.
Thank goodness Glock was so good in the beginning because competition only brings out better and better handguns.
 
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Just try the trigger on the SIG 320

The shortest DOA trigger I have ever seen, feels like SA
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Yikes. I don't know that I'd like that. Why carry a SA-like pistol with no manual safety?

I think I'll stick to the P250 over the P320.
 
Almost all striker pistols are as a matter of actual function... SA...

The PPQ, 320, M&P VP9... All functionally a SA, no matter what the manufacturer wants to call it.

Even a glock isn't a true DA.

But the trigger pull on these pistols is longer than traditional SA, and the amount of movement the sear requires to release the striker is longer...

The pistols with a trigger tab safety, the sear doesn't even move until after the trigger moves back enough to clear the tab... There is a lot of margin for safety.

When holstered, the pistol is very safe, just as safe as any pistol with a manual safety. When holstered in a good holster, is the safest a pistol can be while loaded.


People that think a safety on a 1911 makes it safer when the pistol is drawn for use... That I really don't get.

You won't bat an eye at a short relatively light trigger pull... Because "it has a safety to prevent you from inadvertently pulling the trigger"...

But when you draw a 1911, you are supposed to disable the safety after you clear the holster... So by the time you are pointing the pistol at the target, the safety is off and all you have now is that short light trigger... That safety is only there to prevent problems when the thing is holstered.

You don't leave a safety on and disable it just at the moment you decide to fire... Except for the range.

So for all practical purposes... When you are actively pointing the pistol at a threat, there might as well be no safety.
 
+1 marine--the only other aspect I would be concerned about is likelihood of AD if dropped.
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The good thing is most modern pistols have a firing pin/striker block that makes that happening very unlikely.
 
Even modern 1911s with series 70 actions are drop safe, as they use stronger than normal firing pin springs and sometimes light weight firing pins.

I would venture that most pistols made in the past 25 years are drop safe.
 
How does the 320 trigger compare to the ppq?
I had a ppq for a while, but wound up selling it after I acquired a 19. The trigger was nice, but the whole package just didn't come together as well for me.
So far, the 19 has been the best over all cc package for me.

I'm not looking for inspiration from a mid size polymer workhorse. I generally turn to revolves or rifles for that.
I don't think that Glocks are "perfection", but my experience thus far has been universally positive, and the availability of accessories/parts is pretty nice.

Also, not that it matters, but I thought that the glock grip angle was actually closer to the 1911 than Sig and a lot of other modern pistols - albeit in the other direction.
1911: 110*
Glock: 112*
CZ: 108*
Sig/SW/etc: 105*

According to Google anyway.
 
The P320 trigger is very good but not quite as light as my broken in PPQ Classic. After 1k rounds in my P320SC and it gets broken in, its gonna be close.
Either way its a outstanding, crisp trigger with short reset. Had I not owned a PPQ, the P320 would be the best striker fire trigger I have ever shot. The P320 is certainly crisper and better stock than my Glocks are modded with ghost triggers or M&P with a Apex trigger. Keep in mind that the Sig has a smooth wider trigger to the touch and conventional looking and feeling when shooting the gun. Most all the other striker triggers have either a "safe action" third blade sticking out like a Glock or some other kind of mechanical trigger. The Sig does not and that may be a reason why it is crisper and less mushy.

Notice the shape of the trigger on my P320 Subcompact.


 
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After 1k rounds in my P320SC and it gets broken in, its gonna be close.
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I believe I said it in other threads, but at 1000 rds now and my P320 Compact has not dropped in pull weight by even one ounce. It is what it was from factory. The interacting parts that I see are seemingly smooth stainless steel, not coated as in a PPQ where parts rub against each other and that coating wears over time. I know Marine has reported a change in trigger weight from doing some polishing on specific points after a complete disassembly, he has a thread on it on the SIG forum that he linked to on Mystro's review thread, I'm merely reporting my own experience with the pistol.

The P320 is certainly crisper and better stock than my Glocks are modded with ghost triggers or M&P with a Apex trigger.
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This may just be personal preference, but I still really like the break on my M&Ps with APEX parts. It's a longer takeup but the break feels a bit more distinct to me, more like a snap than a shove. It's so subjective at that point though that I would have a hard time telling someone what is better for him/her. In taking my VP9, P320, and APEXed M&P to the range I keep coming away thinking they're all really great pistols. I had a PPQ but sold it some time ago. I keep thinking of picking up another just to be able to compare all of them at once.
 
Totally agree, once you get that clean break, then everything else is subjective.
FYI..My P320SC trigger weight measured in at 5.6lbs when new. It feels lighter than that. Had I not measured it, I would have guessed it was around 4.75-5lbs.

I think we both share a common problem that once you have experienced the very best striker triggers, everything else becomes very noticeable and unacceptable if there is any grittiness, crunch, etc..
I worked on a FNS trigger so long that I got irritated and sold it because I couldn't get all the grittiness out of it.
 
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FYI..My P320SC trigger weight measured in at 5.6lbs when new. It feels lighter than that. Had I not measured it, I would have guessed it was around 4.75-5lbs.
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Sigh, I wish. Mine is 7 lb. 0.0 oz. Hasn't moved since day 1. It's so far from bad though that it's not even worth complaining, it's really excellent as is, but the "perfect dream" fairy makes me wish it was more like 6 lb. I also agree though that I have put it up against triggers with the same pull weight (stock M&P) and despite the gauge showing me they are the same it does feel less. I think the wide trigger face helps spread out the force a bit, just a guess. I can only imagine what one of these worked on would be like. Max Michel has had good luck in Production with his.

I think we both share a common problem that once you have experienced the very best striker triggers, everything else becomes very noticeable and unacceptable if there is any grittiness, crunch, etc..
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Lol, it's sadly true I think. It's spoiled me on other trigger systems too. I still love my DA/SA P228 or HK45c, but they just can't hold a candle to these for just the ease of which I can maintain skill.
 
Sig will take care of it. Call them and ask if they can do any better with it. I bet it will comes back 5lbs. Their turn around time is amazingly short.

On another topic: I just picked up two compact 15+1 9mm magazines with the X grip extension from Midway on sale :eek: tonight for my Subcompact. I was hoping to maintain the thinness of the Subcompact but with the option for a higher round count. That will give me either 13 or 16 round option.
 
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That's a good point actually. I checked their custom work page some time back but didn't see any mention of the P320 under the AEP. I'd be curious to call them just to find out about it.

Knowing me I'll pick up a subcompact anyway though and if that trigger group is better I'll just swap it as needed. The conversion kits got listed at $399 this week when they were originally listed at $310. For that price I'll just snag another pistol.
http://store.sigsauer.com/parts.html?gun_model=1291

On another topic: I just picked up two compact 15+1 9mm magazines with the X grip extension from Midway on sale tonight for my Subcompact. I was hoping to maintain the thinness of the Subcompact but with the option for a higher round count. That will give me either 13 or 16 round option.
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Good plan! :cool: It's nice to have that option for a backup mag or even for the home if needed.
 
The Xchange price increase "should" go back down when supply catches up and street prices reflect a real world price. At $399 you are better off buying a complete gun. I will probably do that anyway when the 45acp actually is for sale. I just found some P320 Xchange kits tonight for $241.00 from a outside dealer so prices will stabilize. I am not worried about it. The P320 is so friggen good on its own. The Xchange kits were just gravy on a already outstanding pistol.

I would bet Sig will "adjust" your P320 under warranty if you express concern about its trigger weight. Tell them "you don't think your trigger is the best example of what it could be."
I had several AEP packages done at the Sig Custom Shop. Turn around time was under 1 week including shipping time. Work was top shelf and the end results were amazing.
 
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The parts being a very high quality MIM, makes them very smooth for the most part, so I don't think that the pull will smooth out and improve very much, just from shooting.


I had to hand polish parts to a very smooth state and make a very slight change to the striker to remove a mold seam and smooth it out.

The effect was noticeable and measurable, but the weight dropped only about a pound after I was finished.

Smoothing the camming surface of the sear block gave a slight improvement to the feel, smoother...

All the improvement was moderate at best... But it was already a good trigger, now it is better, so I am not disappointed with the work.


I could do more if I wanted to do some alterations to the angles on the sear and striker, but I try not to do too much of that unless absolutely necessary to improve a bad trigger.
 
How/where you measure trigger pull can really affect the results you see.

I try to measure from the point where my finger rests, usually just slightly below center, so I can get an accurate idea of what I am actually feeling when pulling the trigger.

If I shift close to the end/tip of the trigger the reading can lower a couple pounds.
 
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