How do you stop felons from going into gun stores and gun shows, and private sales?

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Gyvel, Sorry you think I took a Draconian view but I was just stating a fact. The scenarios you posted are unfortunate and I agree but the fact remains. I don't make the laws.
 
Gyvel, Sorry you think I took a Draconian view but I was just stating a fact. The scenarios you posted are unfortunate and I agree but the fact remains. I don't make the laws.
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Ah. Gotcha. I understand.
 
Ah. Gotcha. I understand.
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Thanks and I realized I was pretty blunt. I'd say let the degree of the punishment fit the degree of the felony. In the case of the grandfather I only hope that the court would take that in consideration. I think that's pretty stupid to throw the book at him for bringing home the war souvenir 50 years ago.

As to the cable theft, it's theft and I have no sympathy for him.
 
Thanks and I realized I was pretty blunt. I'd say let the degree of the punishment fit the degree of the felony. In the case of the grandfather I only hope that the court would take that in consideration. I think that's pretty stupid to throw the book at him for bringing home the war souvenir 50 years ago.
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Unfortunately, the way the law is written, there is no leeway regarding intent or any other factor. Possession is a felony crime, period.

I still can't equate cable TV theft with murder or any other sick violent crime. Actually, the applicable penalties for cable TV theft are worse than for murder in real world cases. That to me is a very sick twist in the legal system. But we all know that money is power...
 
Now that's really sick. I've heard of cases like that, it just makes me scratch my head and say WTH was that?

Our legal system needs to be streamlined and get their priorities straight.
 
One HUGE problem is with lawyers (naturally) making plea deals with prosecutors for lenient sentences. I think if the law was enforced the way it is supposed to be, it would have results. There are, for example, something like 20,000 guns laws on the books already, and only a very few are ever enforced. One shining example is a gent who was making illegal machine guns a while ago. Sheriff's Dept. arrested him, contacted BATF who said: We don't have enough man power or time to prosecute, so you take care of it." Now that's $250.000.00 fine and ten years in the house of do-right, but the guy got 1 year locally and was told to sell off his guns. Some enforcement of a law that's been on the books since '68, huh?

Ever watch "Cops" on TV? Guy gets arrested, is found to have priors and is in possession of a gun. Does BATF ever prosecute those cases? Oh, noooooo.

Enforce an existing law to make crimes less palatable.

If you're not going to enforce a law, then don't complain when things go bad.
 
Your proposal won't stop anything. How is a tattoo on the shoulder going to stop a felon from buying a gun from another felon -- who knows he's a felon -- on a street corner in the inner city? If I were a private seller I wouldn't feel like asking to see a buyer's shoulder. I think the entire concept of forcing people to mark their bodies is just plain creepy. It conjures up images of 1984 and Brave New World.

As for Badger Guns, you seem to think they are innocent dealers who fell into a bad situation because bad guys fooled them. Do some homework. Their record of 4473 violations over the past several years is unmatched anywhere in the country. That one store had more violations than some entire states recorded. They knowingly sold guns to felons who checked the "Yes" box on the question that asks "Are you a convicted felon."
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I never said it will stop criminals or mass shooters from getting guns...read my post, I specifically point that out....

What this does....is takes the burden off of law abiding, normal gun owners...who are the actual targets of anti gun extremists.......

And do you really think that badger will be the last......every anti gun group out there will now be walking into gun stores and shows trying to get normal gun sellers into trouble......

The tattoo on the shoulder is for violent, sociopaths who have already violently victimized innocent men, women and children........everyone keeps complaining about keeping guns out of the hands of these monsters...and turn soft when this idea would make it easier to do that.
 
Another thing to consider. Some states will allow a felon who has served out his sentence to petition the court to have his/her rights restored. If forced to get a tattoo, that takes away his right to have a judge restore his rights. Nope. I think that tattoo idea is no good. Personally, I have never approved of a gun control law based on a similar law put in place by Adolph Hitler. JMHO.
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And this allows for the felon to get paperwork that he can get from the criminal justice system that clears him. His rights would be restored that way.....

the socialists in Germany targeted innocent men, women ,and children who they wanted to murder.

This targets people who committed violent crime, and odds are who have long histories of committing violent crime, against innocent men, women and children, who are then caught, arrested, put to trial with a lawyer and a jury of 12 people, found guilty of violent crimes and sentenced to prison and given a felony conviction......and there fore can't own guns ever again.....

Big difference. The tattoo just makes it easier for people to tell that they can't own guns.....keeps them out of gun stores, gun shows,and gives private sellers a way to instantly check on the buyers ability to own guns.

Anti gunners want to sue you if you sell a gun and a criminal uses it for a crime...even if you sold it legally.....there is no compromise with them...this helps the normal gun owner.
 
Odds are that such a law would run afoul of the "cruel and unusual punishment" clause.

Another aspect is that straw purchases are a trivial percentage of all illegal acquisitions. Lotsa smoke, little fire. Per federal testimony at the time of the nattering over the assault weapon ban, some 86% of criminal-use firearms are acquired via theft or illegal purchase "on the street" from other felons. Some 10% to 12% were originally acquired in a legal manner and misused at a later date by the purchaser. Only around 2% of crime guns come from purchase at gunshows from non-dealers, or from newspaper ads.
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We know that private sellers are about 1-2% of all illegal purchases....but the anti gunners are going to use that to pass universal background checks that we already know will be bypassed the same way current background checks are bypassed by criminals....

So why do they push so hard for universal background checks...

To get national registration of guns...because they will come back after the universal background checks fail to stop gun crime and mass shootings and tell us......"it is obvious that we need to register guns in order to make the universal background checks work"

And you know that is their next step.

Putting the no guns allowed tattoo on the shoulders of convicted, violent criminals means you don't need universal background checks......
 
So, with theories that criminal records, ostracization from society, poverty, and low education lead to the United States' uniquely high crime and recidivism rate, we somehow want to jail people longer, enact more laws for people to break, and alienate criminals by permanently marking their skin for having committed a crime?
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We are talking violent sociopaths here......who have already destroyed the lives of innocent men, women and children......I would rather protect the rest of the people than worry about violent monsters and their feelings.
 
Hey I know, we could all get "chipped", like we do with our pets. Then the gun store can just scan your arm and you either come up green or red. If you get convicted of a felony your chip gets re-coded to red. There could even be a cell phone app so you could scan a buyer yourself in a private sale.

And there's no big brother element to any of this at all. Maybe I'll email Jeb! or Hillary to share the awesomeness of this idea.
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Nope...WE, don't need to get chipped...this is targeted at people who have already broken the law, gone through a trial, been found guilty and been sentenced as felons, and who can't own guns ever again.........

This is not targeted at normal people...but violent people who have shown they are dangerous to society and who people say they want to make sure never get guns again....

Now they will get guns...but with the tattoo, they will never be able to walk into gun stores, gun shows or buy guns from a private seller easily.....it would have saved BAdger mountain....about 6 million dollars....
 
I do like the idea of being able to tell somebody's past criminal/civil activity at a glance without actual interaction.
If a contractor has had 20 judgements against them prior to my situation, I would like to know before handing them any money. Business background checks, referrals and reviews ain't working. The BBB is a joke.

If a mechanics shop has 10 ex-cons working in their service bay, I would want to know ahead of time so I could go somewhere else. I don't like having to take every document out of my car before I take it in for service.

I would think civil rights fans would have a cow over this kind of thing.
 
Tattoo, no thanks. Just look how much trouble it is for state governments to ask for ID when voting....? Guess we need a voting tat.

If you are involved with a private sale and something bothers you.... don't sell or insist that they follow you to a gun shop to have a NICs check done.
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Going to a gun store is not easy for everyone....in Chicago....they don't have any gun stores, so you would have to have your brother, who may be buying your gun, drive 40 minutes out of the city to go to a suburban gun store to get the background check...if they will do it for a sale that doesn't involve their store...or go to the Chicago police who don't like people owning guns in the first place.....

The Tattoo on the shoulder is immediate...you know in less than one second if they guy can buy the gun or not.....

It also keeps them out of gun stores and gun shows.......

If two guys walk into a gun store and they look suspicious...ask to see their shoulders...if even one of them has the tattoo...you kick them both out...

Right now.....there is no way to tell if one of the guys is a felon or that the other guy is his straw buyer...with the tattoo, an immediate way to tell.....
 
Very Draconian outlook there. Yes, a felony is a felony, but, as I said, there's big difference between the 18 year old kid that stole cable TV and got railroaded by an overambitious DA, and a murderer, rapist, etc. For that matter, it's a felony to possess "unregistered" firearms in certain political subdivisions.

But, in your mind, "a felony is a felony."

Here's another one for you: Dad or Grandpa who served in WWII, Korea or Vietnam brought back an MP40 or AK, stored it in the attic 50-60- 70 years ago and forget all about it until he was cleaning out the attic one day. Lo and behold there it is! One of the "helpful" neighbors sees it, reports it and bingo!, Gramps or Pop is prosecuted for a felony for possession of an unregistered NFA weapon. Certainly no intent of breaking the law (probably didn't even know such law existed), but that law doesn't have any provision or leeway for "intent." Now he's a "felon."

But, as you say, "a felony is a felony."

Sadly, there are things that are felonies that shouldn't be; Until the laws are changed that's the unfortunate circumstance we have to deal with, but please don't take a black and white mind set that a "felony is a felony."
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My idea only inolves people who can no longer own guns....and if that status changes they can get paperwork showing their change in status....but the target of this idea is actual criminals. Anti gun extremists are targeting law abiding, normal gun owners....and they want universal background checks in order to get gun registration and now in California they are going after ammo.....they will not stop......
 
I just bought a pistol this morning and you're going to need a lot more than one tattoo for that background check.
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Nope. If felons are tatttooed...then there is no reason that a normal gun owner like you can't simply walk into a gun store, show your shoulder with no tattoo, buy the gun and walk out.....you won't need to fill out any paperwork since you don't have the no guns allowed tattoo.....

That is why I say it targets criminals and not you......it reduces the need for background checks for about 95% of gun owners.....

The only people who will need a background check if my idea is implemented will be people who already had a shoulder tattoo, or felons who have their rights restored....

They can then just go through a normal background check, and it wouldn't be a universal check...

This would take a huge burden off of the current system since far fewer people would be put through the system.......
 
If I'm buying a gun from you and you ask to see my ID I'll tell you take a long walk on a short pier. I'm sure as the devil not going to undress for you.

I've had one speeding ticket in my life and I'm a pretty old man.

How about we just stamp the number 666 on our forehead or the back of our hand? :rolleyes:

And he causes all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free men and the slaves, to be given a mark on their right hand or on their forehead, and he provides that no one will be able to buy or to sell, except the one who has the mark, either the name of the beast or the number of his name.
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Revelation 13:16-17 ;) :)
 
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If I'm buying a gun from you and you ask to see my ID I'll tell you take a long walk on a short pier. I'm sure as the devil not going to undress for you.

I've had one speeding ticket in my life and I'm a pretty old man.

How about we just stamp the number 666 on our forehead or the back of our hand?
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You don't have to undress...even if you are wearing a unitard....just show your shoulder. And then the guy selling you the gun can know immediately if he can sell you the gun. Same with a gun store...no waiting period, no paperwork, no permits or gun cards....

You walk in, show your shoulder, pick out a gun, pay for it and walk out......no waiting period.....just walk right out....

And felons are kept out of the gun store completely....gun shows too.....
 
If a felon did his time, I'm talking full sentence not walking paper, then in my opinion his rights should be restored.

If a felon did something so violent and heinous, he or she should never be allowed on the streets again, their rights would never be restored so there's no need for a tattoo.
 
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