How do you stop felons from going into gun stores and gun shows, and private sales?

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The best way to stop criminals from going to gun stores and gun shows and stopping them from getting guns from private sales......

When they are convicted of their felony....put a no guns allowed tattoo on their shoulder.

What does this do...

One of the two ways criminals get guns is through straw purchasers....the one technique used is the felon goes into the gun store with the straw buyer and points out the gun he wants....

The tattoo on the shoulder stops this cold. The gun store, the gun show, could have a policy of asking all customers to show their shoulders before they are allowed in the store...........

Right now..there is no way to tell if the guy at the counter is a felon without running a background check.

If you have a straw purchaser at the counter with a felon, you check their shoulders and if the one guy has a tattoo...you can ban both of them from your store....straw purchasing will then have to change........

Same with the private sale....if you want to stop felons from getting guns from private sales...this is the best way...any private seller can just check the shoulder of the buyer and tell immediately, without a universal background check, if the buyer can legally buy the gun....

This tattoo on the shouldeer actually does what the anti gun extremists want....it keeps felons from buying guns in person.....

And it does not target normal gun owners.

In fact...you could do away with 95% of background checks.....you walk into a gun store, you ask to buy a gun, they look at your shoulder and if it is clean, you can walk out with the gun right then and there.....no background check is needed....

If for some reason you already have a shoulder covered in tattoos...then you would have to go through the current background check system.....

But for most people...no more background checks needed......

(Yes...I know that this will not stop criminals from gettig guns, they get their guns by stealing them, getting someone with a clean record to buy them for them or by buying from another criminal who already did the first two things. What this does is protect gun stores and gun shows and private sales from most of the new gun laws the anti gun extremists are trying to push, and targets actual criminals, not law abiding citizens.
 
Precrime rears it's head. A bar code on the forearm would do the same thing.

I think the NICS check is supposed to be the equivalent of your tattoo.

Getting arrested at the gun counter for straw man and felon purchases would be simpler.
 
I've been told that my thinking is a bit harsh in this regard, but I say just increase the penalty for breaking the law. I am not sure what the penalty actually is for a straw purchase, but if it is anything like poaching it is laughable at best.
 
If you have both shoulders tattooed then what?

What would be easier is an ID card like the CHL or a card that showed you clean. Swipe it on a machine for any changes since then and take it from there.

I like your idea but I'd tattoo their foreheads with the word F E L O N. That'll make them think twice about being a criminal, make their life hard.
 
Straw purchase penalty is $250,000 and/or 10 yrs in the Federal Hilton.


You would think that a few "full power" prosecutions would make people
think twice before getting involved in a straw purchase?



Federal Law
Federal law prohibits straw purchases by criminalizing the making of false statements to an FFL about a material fact on ATF Form 4473, or presenting false identification in connection with the firearm purchase. Two federal statutes – 18 U.S.C. § 922(a)(6) and 18 U.S.C. § 924(a)(1)(A) – are the primary laws under which straw purchases are prosecuted.
First, 18 U.S.C. § 922(a)(6) prohibits any person:
n connection with the acquisition or attempted acquisition of any firearm or ammunition from a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector, knowingly to make any false or fictitious oral or written statement or to furnish or exhibit any false, fictitious, or misrepresented identification, intended or likely to deceive such importer, manufacturer, dealer, or collector with respect to any fact material to the lawfulness of the sale or other disposition of such firearm or ammunition.
Subject to limited exceptions, 18 U.S.C. § 924(a)(1)(A) imposes criminal penalties, such as fines and imprisonment, upon any person who:
[K]nowingly makes any false statement or representation with respect to the information required by [federal firearms law] to be kept in the records of a person licensed under [federal firearms law] or in applying for any license or exemption or relief from disability under the provisions of [federal firearms law].
These false statements or representations are punishable by a fine of up to $250,000 and up to 10 years in prison.
 
There is no way to tell if a person is a felon just by looking at them....as Badger guns found out. If the Badger guns employee could have asked both people to show their shoulders he could have ended the 6 million dollar law suit right there.

as to people with tattoos on both shoulders...they could simply just go through the traditional background check.

Arresting people at gun shows and gun stores for being felons buying guns requires getting them to admit they can't pass a background check or getting them to actually go through the background check as you go through the purchase...

The tattoo....is immediate, and let's you know right then and there that they can't buy the gun. In fact, you could simply have someone at the door of the gun store or gun show checking to shoulders, and that way felons wouldn't even be in the store or the gun show....
 
I picked the shoulder because a felon trying to turn their life around could simply where a shirt to cover the tattoo....and it would only be a real issue if they tried to enter a gun show, a gun store or tried to buy guns from a private seller.

This tattoo idea removes background checks for 95% of gun owners and sellers.....it is immediate, requires no extra fee on the part of individual sellers, keeps no permanent record on law abiding, normal gun owners and actually targets criminals, not normal gun owners.

With tattoos, there is no need for universal background checks....no need to license normal gun owners, no need to register any guns......ever.
 
NICS, as statistics shows, ends up denying more guns to law abiding citizens than to criminals.....so it is a failure now....and with the push by anti gunners for universal background checks, they are targeting normal gun owners with a system that doesn't work now.....

a tattoo on the shoulder of convicted, violent offenders removes the need for 95% of NICS checks....that would relieve the system of a lot of wasted data and make the system better....
 
California is now targeting sports shooters and normal gun owners with a law mandating background checks for all ammo purchases.....it will not stop criminals or mass shooters from getting ammo, but it will make it more difficult on normal gun owners....

My tattoo idea....stops this from being implemented......if someone is trying to buy ammo...the gun store clerk, the gun show vendor, the private seller, simply looks at their shoulder...no background check for ammo needed....
 
The Scarlet Letter updated?
Tattoos can be altered.
Using them would probably cause a land slide business at the local tattoo parlors.
Besides, criminals will always seek weapons.
It's in their nature.
If they can't get them one way, they will another, to use against one another as well their victims.
If they can't get them any other way, there's always the police station and military armories.
 
To the OP... I know you are just throwing ideas out there, but when would it stop? Do we tattoo a big red "A" on people with AIDS? Or a big red "H" for someone with Hepatitis? How about a big "C" for Christians or a "M" for Muslims?
 
I see two solutions.

1. Strengthen the security behind government and state identification cards. There are methods to make such cards nearly impossible to alter, clone, and fake.

2. Enforce the damn law. If someone commits a straw purchase, prosecute to the full extent of the law.

Problem solved.
 
The Scarlet Letter updated?
Tattoos can be altered.
Using them would probably cause a land slide business at the local tattoo parlors.
Besides, criminals will always seek weapons.
It's in their nature.
If they can't get them one way, they will another, to use against one another as well their victims.
If they can't get them any other way, there's always the police station and military armories.
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I have looked into tattoo ink....green and purple ink are almost impossible to remove.

And as I pointed out, this doesn'tstop criminals from getting guns.....they steal them, use a straw purchaser or buy them from other criminals...

What it does is end 95% of background checks, keeps felons from making direct gun buys altogether...and keeps private sellers from having to do background checks when they sell their old guns, they simply ask to see the guys shoulder...

Had Badger Mountain been able to have the clerk ask to see the shoulders of the straw buyer and the felon with him...that sale could have been closed down immediately....if someone is in their with a felon, kick them both out.

And on top of that...as a gun store or gun show, you could look at peoples shoulders before you let them in....

And with the new law about ammo sales in California that they are trying to pass, this would end that as well.....
 
To the OP... I know you are just throwing ideas out there, but when would it stop? Do we tattoo a big red "A" on people with AIDS? Or a big red "H" for someone with Hepatitis? How about a big "C" for Christians or a "M" for Muslims?
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This is diffferent....we are not talking socialists targeting innocent men, women and children.

This would target vioelent sociopaths who have actually committed crimes, been captured by the police, gone to trial with a lawyer and a jury and then been found guilty and sentenced as a felon..

As a felon, they can no longer own guns...ever....but to find this out you actually have to go on a computer and run a check....individual sellers would have to take the individual to a gun store or police station....both places have little incentive to make doing private background checks easy or cheap......

The tattoo, ends 95% of all background checks, keeps felons out of gun stores and gun shows, and protects private sellers.....
 
I see two solutions.

1. Strengthen the security behind government and state identification cards. There are methods to make such cards nearly impossible to alter, clone, and fake.

2. Enforce the damn law. If someone commits a straw purchase, prosecute to the full extent of the law.

Problem solved.
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Government id cards don't stop felons from going into a gun store with a straw buyer...and they can be faked no matter what you try.

I fully support enforcing the law.....but that takes prosecutors and judges to do.....my tattoo idea...protects gun stores, gun shows and private sellers, with immediate verification, no paper trail, no extra cost, no time wasted, and no additional man power needed......

And Badger Mountains wouldn't be getting sued right now....
 
What happens to those people wrongly convicted and marked? Few as they may be, it happens. Are they just collateral damage, worth the price to ease a faulty system?
 
2aguy said:
What it does is end 95% of background checks, keeps felons from making direct gun buys altogether...and keeps private sellers from having to do background checks when they sell their old guns, they simply ask to see the guys shoulder...

Had Badger Mountain been able to have the clerk ask to see the shoulders of the straw buyer and the felon with him...that sale could have been closed down immediately....if someone is in their with a felon, kick them both out.
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Your proposal won't stop anything. How is a tattoo on the shoulder going to stop a felon from buying a gun from another felon -- who knows he's a felon -- on a street corner in the inner city? If I were a private seller I wouldn't feel like asking to see a buyer's shoulder. I think the entire concept of forcing people to mark their bodies is just plain creepy. It conjures up images of 1984 and Brave New World.

As for Badger Guns, you seem to think they are innocent dealers who fell into a bad situation because bad guys fooled them. Do some homework. Their record of 4473 violations over the past several years is unmatched anywhere in the country. That one store had more violations than some entire states recorded. They knowingly sold guns to felons who checked the "Yes" box on the question that asks "Are you a convicted felon."
 
Pass a law of course...

If you are a convicted felon and you try to buy a gun, you are guilty of conspiring to commit murder. No plea bargains and mandatory sentence of life in prison without possibility of parole.

In reality, they could try enforcing the laws on the books. In the vast majority of cases, persons prohibited from buying guns, when they are declined in a gunstore, merely walk out.
 
"...tattoo on their shoulder..." And if the criminal already has tattoos all over his carcass like so many do, what then? Branding?
"...mandatory sentence of life in prison without..." The United States has the largest prison population in the world. One in 110 adults are incarcerated, according to the ACLU. To the tune of about $39 billion plus. Assuming you think building more will fix that, where will the funding come from?
Criminals don't pay retail for firearms.
 
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