How do you define "Hoarding ammo"?

I think Amp 44 said it best in post # 57, I bought early, I bought often when ammo was in reason.
Now the mid aged Man/Women who don't own a gun & Jumped on wagon & Can't find ammo,, Times that by a half million or more & bam No ammo..

I'll give a family member a box or two of 22s or a good freind, Other than that well lets say,, I'm keeping my ammo ; )
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This is crazy, and a sign of the times, I suppose, but I just sat down yesterday and did some quick math on the dollar value of the ammo I have. If I use today's prices it would appear the ammo I have for my AR-15 is now worth much more then my two AR-15's. Crazy.
 
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Nice sentiment, but I don't think so. At least, not in my case. You see, I haven't bought more than a couple of boxes of ammo in the last 3-4 years. In fact, the sad truth is, I am not shooting much lately, simply because I cannot replace my ammo for anywhere near what I paid for it.

Now, I won't leave a friend defenseless, but sell it for what I paid? Not hardly. Because I bought back when prices were "normal", years ago. Selling it today for what I paid then? no. Perhaps, if I were in desperate need of cash, selling some of it at what I consider a fair market price (and not the hyper inflated panic prices today), MAYBE....

I didn't set out to be, nor am I equipped to be the Arsenal of Democracy. And I don't think many of the rest of us are, either.

let me give you an example, somewhere in the back room I have a case of 7.62mm NATO (still sealed), bought at the then going market price of $165.
Looking back now, I should have bought 5 (alas). If I had, then selling one might be an option. But do you seriously think I ought to sell some for what I paid for it? Just to be a nice guy? I try to be a nice guy, but I'm sorry, I'm just not that nice....

Makes me feel like the ant, surrounded by grasshoppers, whining "gimme, gimme, gimme, and gimme it CHEAP!!"

Heard a radio talk show host tonight, saying how he was going to take a CCW class, and buy a gun. He wants to be a gun owner, he wants to show solidarity with us. Beome one of us. While I almost laughed, I do wish him well. He can learn our pain, and suffer it with us now.

What I do wonder is why this well off middle aged gentleman is only NOW buying a gun?!!! That is part of the problem we have today. Lots and lots of people, for whom it was never any concern or interest suddenly have both. And their money has bought up everything in sight. Leaving very little for the rest of us. And THEY are complaining!

I'm rapidly growing deaf ears. I do have sympathy for the young folks just starting out in firearms, most of them with tight budgets. I was there myself once. What irks me is the well off folks, who spent years/decades ignoring the shooting sports/self defense now demanding their share, and claiming those of us who have spent decades building up a collection (and supplies to feed that collection) are HOARDERS!!!

You spent you money buying what you wanted. That's your right. I did the same. Good luck stopping the thief, or rapist with those stocks, bonds and gold bullion. Those are fine things, and money (in whatever form) is very useful. Virtually a necessity. But when you need bullets, nothing else will do.

The stuff is still out there, buy what you want, at what the market will bear. But insult me, imply I have done something bad (hoarder), and I really don't want to share my toys with a rude snot like you! Why don't you just get your pitchforks and torches and start chanting "Burn the witch!"

Sorry for being so snarky, but this really ticks me off.

Look at it this way, suppose I had a full tank of gas, and there was no more gas to be had. I'd drive you to the hospital if you needed to go. But I wouldn't siphon some out so you could drive your car to the lake to party. And I certainly wouldn't do it if you offered me $0.39 per gallon!

yes, I'm an old grump, especially on this issue. Hoarder!! pffft!
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Today, 02:10 AM #58
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Lots and lots of people, for whom it was never any concern or interest suddenly have both.

As a corollary, I'm pretty much over the idea that Joe Bob has to get his AR-15 and ammo before the ban, but he has no interest in doing anything to prevent the ban.

He'll waste all sorts of gas, money, time, and effort tracking down a couple of 30-round magazines, but he can't donate $50 to a 2nd Amendment organization. He'll regale me with his weird and often tasteless political theories, but he won't take the time to write his legislators. Heck, from what I've seen of the voter turnout numbers, he didn't even vote in the last few elections.

Once he's got the totem weapon he thinks he needs (and probably won't learn to use properly), his interest in the gun culture will wane to nearly zero. If the storm passes with no significant fallout, he'll grow tired of all that stuff he hoarded, and by late summer, it'll be a buyer's market for unfired military-pattern rifles and sealed cases of ammo.

We saw this in the 2008-2009 mess, and we're seeing it now, only on a larger scale.
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offended much?

I never said to sell a person a 1000 rounds for what you gave for it. I also did not say to sell to everyone in your community what you paid for it.

What I meant was that friends, next door neighbors, closely associated coworkers or family who you have talked to who have NO ammo for a gun whatsoever, especially for those who have just bought a gun for the first time. To sell or simply just give them enough ammo for defense or for serious hunting for food purposes.

At least this much I know, that an opportunists is the last person I would trust in a gone south situation. So if you are fine with making a huge profit, at a person in needs expense, than be prepared to understand when you have trouble getting people to trust you for friendship or to have their back and back you up.

Of course this directly correlates with those of us who have more than enough ammo and than some to spare.

A friend in need, is a friend indeed.
 
I don't believe there's any such thing, and I think it's fundamentally unAmerican to complain about other people buying stuff.
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That pretty much sums it up for me. I'm getting sick of all the hoarding complaints, and also the price gouging talk. Personal freedom is a big part of what the constitution is meant to preserve. So it gets annoying when folks cuss the government for telling us what we "need" but then turn around and tell others how they should/should not conduct sales or how they should/should not spend their money. Or to put it more plainly, how they "need" to exercise their personal freedoms.

I'll decide how I conduct my finances and personal purchases for myself. That's MY business. Don't tread on me.
 
That pretty much sums it up for me. I'm getting sick of all the hoarding complaints, and also the price gouging talk. Personal freedom is a big part of what the constitution is meant to preserve. So it gets annoying when folks cuss the government for telling us what we "need" but then turn around and tell others how they should/should not conduct sales or how they should/should not spend their money. Or to put it more plainly, how they "need" to exercise their personal freedoms.

I'll decide how I conduct my finances and personal purchases for myself. That's MY business. Don't tread on me.
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To an extent I agree with you. But I also don't think that "screw you - I got mine" is a particularly righteous, noble or "American" attitude, either.

We can talk about free markets, the "invisible hand" and personal freedoms all day, but any individual's actions affect everyone else as well. With a finite resource, every widget you buy is a widget that's no longer available for anyone else to buy - that's simple "laws of physics" stuff.

So while a buyer may be completely within his legal and moral rights to buy up every single round of ammo he can lay his hands on, even in times of near-universal scarcity, either to stockpile it away or to turn around and sell it for profit, I'm still going to call him out for being the douchebag he is.
 
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At least this much I know, that an opportunists is the last person I would trust in a gone south situation. So if you are fine with making a huge profit, at a person in needs expense, than be prepared to understand when you have trouble getting people to trust you for friendship or to have their back and back you up.

Of course this directly correlates with those of us who have more than enough ammo and than some to spare.
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It is simple for me. I am not making a huge profit nor trying to because I am simply not selling. Frankly I don't have enough to sell unless one means a box or two of ammunition.

All that said, and with regard to the shortage and buying all you can get your hands on and so forth... if I saw 10 boxes of .40 S&W tomorrow, I would buy all 10 if they were JHP's at normal pricing. But I am not actively looking to buy ammunition either. I'm not standing in line at Gander Mountain, Dicks or where ever in hope of finding a box or two of 22 ammo.
 
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I don't believe there's any such thing, and I think it's fundamentally unAmerican to complain about other people buying stuff.
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I'll echo this thought in its entirety and also add:

I think that someAmericans are buying lots of ammo for "preparation," above all else.

Take that as you wish
 
I've 223 ammo that cost me $3 for 20 rounds when I bought it. Sorry I ain't sellig it for what I paid for it.

I have a neighbor who paid more for one 15 year old AR than I have in all 3 of mine, but had trouble finding ammo for a while. I did give the fellow 3 boxes with the stipulation that he return 3 boxes to me when he could find ammo. He was able to eventually find plenty, (I'm afraid to ask what he paid), and he returned the 3 boxes to me. That seemed fair to me.
 
I'm not buying or selling in this market; just waiting it out. If a friend needed some ammo, I would give him a small amount.

I'm kind of glad I don't have a lot more rifle brass and projectiles stashed; it would be too tempting to start reloading ammo for sale.

I wish I had more .22LR stockpiled. I didn't see that one coming.
 
I'm just gonna come out and say it.

There's a definite lack of empathy on this forum for folks that recently decided that trouble is brewing, and we needed a little more protection.

All I've seen for two months was that we were too stupid to plan ahead. Now I'm reading that the shortage is OUR fault.

I, for one, never asked anybody for anything. But I did resent the guy that bribes a clerk to get the 3K rounds before it's put on the shelf so he can resell it at 300%

I also figure the guy that has 10K in every caliber, and is still scrambling for more is just a little selfish.

After scrambling for two months, I now have enough to see me through. With NO help from anybody on ANY of the forums I visited. I also have a pretty bad taste in my mouth.

Who knows??? I might just be the guy you call on to watch your back. I'll do it too, because I was raised that way.

Maybe the ME generation is about to learn something.

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jnichols2, I actually agree with you. And I've mentioned before that smugly saying "should have planned ahead!" isn't really fair to the folks that just came of age in the past few months.

But having said that, what do you expect me to do? I didn't cause this problem, and there's not anything I can do to make it better. I could make it worse I guess; but even that, not significantly so.
 
jnichols2 said (red inserts mine): I'm just gonna come out and say it. There's a definite lack of empathy on this forum for folks that recently decided that trouble is brewing, and we needed a little more protection. There is a lot of empathy in this forum. But you have to understand that as the shortage continues, generosity decreases.

All I've seen for two months was that we were too stupid to plan ahead. Now I'm reading that the shortage is OUR fault. Yes and Yes or probably
I also figure the guy that has 10K in every caliber, and is still scrambling for more is just a little selfish. Me too. Unless they shoot a lot of ammunition up very regularly.

After scrambling for two months, I now have enough to see me through. With NO help from anybody on ANY of the forums I visited. I also have a pretty bad taste in my mouth. Glad you have found enough to satisfy your short term needs. But what happens if this becomes long term?

Who knows??? I might just be the guy you call on to watch your back. I'll do it too, because I was raised that way. They would be watching your front. So, it works both ways. It takes more than one person to adequately set up a defense.
Maybe the ME generation is about to learn something Not sure what they are going to learn.
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This hoarding business is all situational for each person for the most part. I feel good that I purchased ammunition at a rate that exceeded my use for the last few years. I am not going to do anything with it except eventually shoot it up. I am not preparing for a SHTF situatlon. I figure I wouldn't last long in such as scenario, but I would give it the old college try.
 
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According to this definition in post #59
Pathological or compulsive hoarding is a specific type of behavior characterized by:
•acquiring and failing to throw out a large number of items that would appear to have little or no value to others (e.g., papers, notes, flyers, newspapers, clothes)
•severe cluttering of the person's home so that it is no longer able to function as a viable living space
•significant distress or impairment of work or social life
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what people are doing with ammunition is NOT hoarding since we can all agree it has value. Can we just call it stockpiling and be done with it?
 
...Beware the slippery slope, decide not for others what they need! Because if you do, then someone else will come along and decide what it is that you need, and odds are, you won't like it...
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^^^Yes, this!^^^

Nothing galls me quicker than someone telling somebody else what they "NEED"! Short of the obvious things such as cocaine, too much booze for an irresponsible drinker, et. al., I don't believe that anyone has the right to tell another person what they need to do, need to own; or, not own. Or, how much of it they can own, if they have the means to do so.
 
Nobody likes being told what is best for them, but are more than willing to tell others the same. I get upset when the government tells me what I "need." Likewise, I also don't want to hear it from my fellow citizens or peers. People should worry about getting their own ducks in a row, instead of bitching about other people's ducks. Or more eloquently put:

Nothing galls me quicker than someone telling somebody else what they "NEED"! Short of the obvious things such as cocaine, too much booze for an irresponsible drinker, et. al., I don't believe that anyone has the right to tell another person what they need to do, need to own; or, not own. Or, how much of it they can own, if they have the means to do so.
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zxcvbob,

Nobody here started the situation, nor can they stop it. I don't expect you to fix the problem. I only ask people to be less quick to attack new people. I've seen people post that they only had 60 rounds, I guess they already feel bad enough.


22-rimfire,

When I say I have enough to get by, I don't mean I could last a protracted war. Far from it.

But, if I win any battles, the loser's ammo will be my spoils.
If I lose, then I had all the ammo I needed.
 
I get upset when the government tells me what I "need." Likewise, I also don't want to hear it from my fellow citizens or peers. People should worry about getting their own ducks in a row, instead of bitching about other people's ducks.
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So you'd have nothing to say to a person who's driving a tanker from gas station to gas station in the middle of a fuel crisis, buying up all the gasoline he can get, just so he can have a two-year supply of gasoline for himself, or perhaps to sell it at greatly-inflated prices? Nothing to say at all, except "Good for you, and I'm glad you had the money to buy that much gasoline"?

I'm tired of all the butthurt, and people whining "You can't tell us what to do", and "mind your own business".

You're within your legal rights to spend your money however you wish, and you're free to buy consumer goods in whatever quantities you can afford. But don't believe for a minute that your actions don't have direct consequences on the lives of others, or that your activities are beyond criticism or reproach just because they're legal.

If you don't think my post applies to you, then fine - it probably doesn't. But you know the people I'm talking about.
 
Wish I had a tanker truck. :D

As I recall, I believe the CA lead law addressed stockpiling of ammunition. Essentially it made it illegal to use after a certain date. Like that is going to stop someone from defending their home or property.
 
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