How do you deal with an aggressive political protester??
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LanceOregon
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I'm afraid that your statement here is totally false, unless you want to also claim that the police are lying about what happened.
If you look back at the first news report that I linked to, police say that they only had ONE hand of the man handcuffed, and the protester was wildly swinging his other arm, when they tased him.
Do you also believe that University of Florida student Andrew Meyer did not deserve to be tased by the University police? He was in the same exact situation, with many officers on top him, who were struggling to get him handcuffed.
A total of 6 officers were unable to subdue Meyer, before they tased him:
And when that case was reviewed by the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, it was determined to not have been any abuse of power by the officers to have tased him. Here is a link to the report:
http://www.president.ufl.edu/incident/FDLE-Executive-Summary.pdf
Meyer agreed to write letters of apology regarding his actions to everyone concerned, in exchange for all criminal charges against him being dropped. He is now back as a student at the University. See this article for details:
http://www.sptimes.com/2007/10/31/State/Tasered_student_is_so.shtml
The University of Florida Police actually showed restraint in the Meyer case. For they had a taser on him at the very start of the arrest, as you can see here in this photo:
They only tased him after he REPEATEDLY refused to obey their instructions and struggled with numerous officers while fighting them all the way to the back end of the auditorium.
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Every time I go to the Pac NW I turn on the news talk radio and hear a news report about some eco terrorist group torching houses, destroying construction equipment or otherwise carrying out attacks. It is almost always some group of young white kids with more money in their pockets than is good for them, no real jobs and no need to focus on school to get one. So if I see one of these overprivileged brats walking around in a exterminator get up and spraying people down with who knows what I am under no expectation to assume it is harmless. At the minimum it may be assumed to be destructive to clothing and a skin irritant. That alone warrants resistance, if not lethal then a full blast of OC in the face if needed.
LanceOregon
Moderator
Well, that was my reason for posting this incident. We need to know both when to make use of our weapon, and also when not to do so.
It is a huge responsibility to carry a gun.
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rickdavis81
New member
I didn't see where it said that everybody knew it was some retarded hippie just dressed up trying to make a point. If he had a sign that said "I'm a dumb hippie trying to make a point" I probaly still wouldn't have believed him and thought it was still a terrorist. Because he is a terrorist for what he did. He dressed the part of a man spraying poison and acted like a man spraying poison then he is a man spraying poison. I think down at gun point till the police arrived, or shooting if he sprayed me after that, or certaintly my kid or wife. I think he should be tried as a terrorist and imprisoned. There are smarter and better ways to get your point across.
LanceOregon
Moderator
There were a lot of protest signs at the event. Unfortunately, I cannot find any press photos showing it. But I did see news video, and it looked clear to me that a protest was going on.
The problem here is that the police and the demonstrators have such a drastically different view of the incident. Protesters are now claiming that the fellow was tasered three times. And they are claiming that the police violently slammed his head into the pavement repeatedly, and were beating him.
They also claim that neither Van Ornum, or the other two arrested protesters, ever resisted the police in any way, or physically attacked them. In fact, one of the other two men arrested for interfering with the arrest and assaulting officers claims he never got closer than 10 ft to them. And that when he was arrested, he was completely peaceful.
So who do you believe? Either this is a police conspiracy, or the protesters are crying wolf. There was no news media initially at the event, when everything went down. Reporters only arrived late to the scene, after things got violent.
The city does have a civilian police auditor, who does do independent investigations of alleged police misconduct. Needless to say, these protesters have all filed complaints with her, and there thus will be a through investigation done.
If you want to see how the protest supporters are reacting, here is a news story all about it today in the far left local weekly paper:
http://www.eugeneweekly.com/2008/06/05/news1.html
So far no letters have been published in either this minor publication, or in our mainstream local newspaper about the incident. But I am sure that these will be coming soon.
The previous letter that I referred to was just published in the local University's newspaper.
Meanwhile, another demonstration is taking place this Saturday, at the same downtown location, to protest how the police handled the earlier demonstration. That protest could get real ugly fast.
Perhaps I'll attend and take some video of the event. Hopefully a riot will not break out between protesters and the police, as it did before when the city had to cut down some trees to make way for a combo shopping and housing development with underground parking.
Protesters were so enraged at the sight of the trees being "murdered" before their eyes, that they started smashing the windows of nearby businesses, and threw rocks at the police. The police had to then respond with massive amounts of tear gas, gassing an entire two block area.
Funny thing is that they planted a bunch of new trees to replace the old ones, and the area looks more lovely than ever, with apartments for people to live in that are above shop space for local businesses, with lots of underground parking for the area.
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The problem here is that the police and the demonstrators have such a drastically different view of the incident. Protesters are now claiming that the fellow was tasered three times. And they are claiming that the police violently slammed his head into the pavement repeatedly, and were beating him.
They also claim that neither Van Ornum, or the other two arrested protesters, ever resisted the police in any way, or physically attacked them. In fact, one of the other two men arrested for interfering with the arrest and assaulting officers claims he never got closer than 10 ft to them. And that when he was arrested, he was completely peaceful.
So who do you believe? Either this is a police conspiracy, or the protesters are crying wolf. There was no news media initially at the event, when everything went down. Reporters only arrived late to the scene, after things got violent.
The city does have a civilian police auditor, who does do independent investigations of alleged police misconduct. Needless to say, these protesters have all filed complaints with her, and there thus will be a through investigation done.
If you want to see how the protest supporters are reacting, here is a news story all about it today in the far left local weekly paper:
http://www.eugeneweekly.com/2008/06/05/news1.html
So far no letters have been published in either this minor publication, or in our mainstream local newspaper about the incident. But I am sure that these will be coming soon.
The previous letter that I referred to was just published in the local University's newspaper.
Meanwhile, another demonstration is taking place this Saturday, at the same downtown location, to protest how the police handled the earlier demonstration. That protest could get real ugly fast.
Perhaps I'll attend and take some video of the event. Hopefully a riot will not break out between protesters and the police, as it did before when the city had to cut down some trees to make way for a combo shopping and housing development with underground parking.
Protesters were so enraged at the sight of the trees being "murdered" before their eyes, that they started smashing the windows of nearby businesses, and threw rocks at the police. The police had to then respond with massive amounts of tear gas, gassing an entire two block area.
Funny thing is that they planted a bunch of new trees to replace the old ones, and the area looks more lovely than ever, with apartments for people to live in that are above shop space for local businesses, with lots of underground parking for the area.
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vox rationis
New member
Hey that's the "DON'T TAZE ME BRO" guy...even he admitted he was being a dufus and deserved to be tazed after the fact 
Ruthless4christ
New member
gasoline will work
down here in guatemala there was a recent situation where a bunch of green people (not sure what thier title was) came to a area of guatemala where there is alot of logging being done. whithout so much as a transalator they came down into the jungle with a helacopter and came at the local people to try and convince them of the errors of thier ways.
they had on man dressed as a giant rubber tree, and another man with a big rubber axe chopping him down, screeming out memorized one liners in spanish, and generally pissing the poeple off.
well after a little bit they had had anough of that and got a few cans of gasoline and planned on torching them before local authorities were able to get them out.(by the way public live burnings of troublemakers are pretty commenplace around here.
down here in guatemala there was a recent situation where a bunch of green people (not sure what thier title was) came to a area of guatemala where there is alot of logging being done. whithout so much as a transalator they came down into the jungle with a helacopter and came at the local people to try and convince them of the errors of thier ways.
they had on man dressed as a giant rubber tree, and another man with a big rubber axe chopping him down, screeming out memorized one liners in spanish, and generally pissing the poeple off.
well after a little bit they had had anough of that and got a few cans of gasoline and planned on torching them before local authorities were able to get them out.(by the way public live burnings of troublemakers are pretty commenplace around here.
LanceOregon
Moderator
Well, but the police don't consider someone to be subdued until they are handcuffed. That is the point when officers can begin to feel safe and be more relaxed. And a person is not considered to be handcuffed until BOTH hands are cuffed.
And there has been nothing stated to suggest that either this suspect, or the Florida University student, were tased after they were successfully handcuffed.
If one is resisting being handcuffed, then you are actively resisting arrest, and thus committing a crime.
The smart thing for people to do is to cooperate with officers when they arrest you.
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