How do you deal with an aggressive political protester??

Wny don't you go in front of the police station where this happend and protest FOR THE POLICE. Yes, support what they did. Call the local news station and tell them what you and others are doing.

How does that sound.
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I know that there are going to be letters written condemning the police for this use of the taser. Political activists here have blocked the police from getting tasers in recent years, much like they have done in San Francisco. In fact, only a few officers here have them, as they were just deployed 4 months ago, and only on an experimental basis.

So I am thinking of waiting for these attacks to come, and then I could write something to counteract any criticism.

Here is a photo of the protester that was tased. He is on the left, next to another environmental activist:


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This is only the second person to be tasered by the department in these past months. The first was a man who got in a dispute with some teenagers, and then chased them through the downtown area screaming that he had a gun and was going to shoot them. The boys took off, with him in hot pursuit. People heard his threats of murder, and called police. So the call the police got was that a man was chasing after some teenagers and threatening them with a handgun.

An officer managed to intercept the man and confront him. He did not see any firearm present, so when the man would not comply with his orders, he deployed his taser and took him down.

There were no complains about that incident. In fact, many said that the officer had courageously risked his life, due to the fact that it had been earlier reported ( although incorrectly ) that the man had a gun.

As things turned out, that man was released on bail two days later.

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Respond. Investigate. Determine a crime was committed. Effect arrest using established guidelines and reasonable force.
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Well, the problem here Erik is that there are folks here who are dead set against the police ever using Tasers against any political protesters. No matter how badly they misbehave. They believe that their protest is protected under the 1st Amendment.

The department tried to implement tasers 3 years earlier, but there were so many howls of protest, that they had to back off.

The city of San Franscisco to this day still does not have tasers, due to very similar political protests against the taser.

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I would prees charges of assult with intent, the police should have charged with terrorist activities, assulting a LEO, then the mistermeaners.
A man was convicted of attemted murder of a LEO after he spit on an officer.
 
Here in Texas we have a law against 'Hoax' bombs. A hoax bomb is any thing made or designend or intended to cause alarm or panic. Surely they have a law like that over there. Strange they didn't charge him with 'teroristic threats' or using a hoax bomb.
 
A man was convicted of attemted murder of a LEO after he spit on an officer.
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Yes, but this guy does not have AIDS. He is mainly just guilty of being a hippie. And all he wants is for us to stop using pesticides.

He is actually a university student too. One would have thought that he would have been far more intelligent than to tell the responding officers that he was spreading poison.

I guess he thought it was OK to joke about such stuff.

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How about a syringe filled with saline that its 19 year old wielder says is aids? Just a stupid kid right?
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Nope, that is the same as robbing a store with a painted airsoft gun nearly everywhere. Even though it was fake, you presented it as if it was a real weapon.
 
I'd try to avoid getting involved, but if some fool decided to hose me, I'da decked him and stood on his chest applying whatever pacification was necessary until the cops arrived (I liked the OC approach-), at which point I'd press charges for assault+, followed up with a civil suit.

I'm all for free speech & protest, but if you think you're going to use me to make you point, you'd better think again.
 
These guys are easy to tear apart. Outside of a rodeo one time a protestor was wearing a leather coat........... :confused: I very politely informed him his leather coat was one time a cow and is a bald fur coat. PETA protestor, was even better, she had on some high dollar German sandels made with leather straps. She tried to rip my eyeballs out.

I have worked or run into these types on ocasion and they always seem to have a leather belt, wallet, shoes, couch, leather seats in their car, rawhide strap with stones around their neck.

With that said I worked with a guy that was 100% animal free. So I just told him carrots have feelings too...........
 
So, minding my own business a man in protective clothing sprays me with a liquid he claims is "poison". What am I to do?

At this stage of the game, adding up the protective gear, his statment of "poison" and his unwarranted dispensing of the material on me, I'm going to assume that he has actually sprayed some kind of poison on me. This is gives me reasonable cause to believe a felony just occurred in my presence (and against my person). Life threatening? Maybe, but it doesn't seem so at the moment.

Response: Hauling his whacko a** to the ground and/or pepper spraying him. Then, use sufficient force to affect his arrest (and telling him he's under arrest).

When PD responds, inform them of the possibility that an unknown poison is in the container AND the surrounding area. Request an ambulance and HazMat team. When it is discovered to be "only water", the protester gets billed by the city for the Hazmat & ambulance response -- usually on the order of $8,000-$12,000.

The downside is that during the struggle, if he starts spraying the solution into my face/mouth/nose and refuses to quit he's going to be "poisoned" with copper and lead.
 
The crazy protester is coming toward you dressed in a protective suit spraying everyone he can with a liquid he claims to be poison. You can't retreat (cornered) and don't have pepper to deploy. Do you use your firearm or not?
 
The crazy protester is coming toward you dressed in a protective suit spraying everyone he can with a liquid he claims to be poison. You can't retreat (cornered) and don't have pepper to deploy. Do you use your firearm or not?
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Sounds like my life, or those of my loved ones, is in danger of harm....what do you think?? :rolleyes:
 
Txbirddog, I agree with you. My question was posed mainly to those who feel that this doesn't warrant the use of deadly force.

Many of these same folks wouldn't allow themselves to be jabbed with a syringe claimed to be filled with Aids.
 
Well, since people are already condemning the local police force for having used a taser on the fellow to subdue him, I think that if one of the civilians he sprayed had shot him, that these same folks would be demanding that person's hide.

This did take place at a high traffic downtown mall, where many people work and shop.

I think that this is an important issue to consider, for anyone carrying a handgun. Where do you draw the line at pulling your firearm or not?

It also brings up the issue of whether one should also carry some type of non-lethal weapon like pepper spray or a taser, to compliment your handgun.

I personally also carry one of the second generation Taser civilian models, the Taser C2. They are far smaller and lighter than the first generation models, and thus not at all hard to conceal.

Here is another press report on the incident. This one, however, does not mention anything about spraying people passing by, like the initial TV news report did. It claims that the police arrested the protester for blocking traffic, as well as disorderly conduct. But it does also say that the protester threatened to spray poison into the face of officers, when they spoke to him. That certainly would seem to me to go well outside the protections of the 1st Amendment, which the protesters are all claiming.

Two other protesters did attack the arresting officers, as they tried to arrest the first man. So they were also subdued and arrested as well.

It turns out the arresting officers were part of the city's downtown bicycle patrol. These officer all look very lean, fit, and muscular, as they spend all of their time patrolling the downtown area on bicycle. I certainly would not want to wrestle with any of them.

Here is this other news report:

http://www.registerguard.com/csp/cms/sites/dt.cms.support.viewStory.cls?cid=105431&sid=4&fid=2
 
What do you do if you are ever confronted by an aggressive political protester who wants to use you in order to make a political point?
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As soon as they get close, puke on em!:D

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I had a similar thought, WA, but it would have been fluid from a different body part.

Short of someone running around in a Bio suit claiming to be spraying Nicin or something extreme I can't see shooting a political protester, as much as they might need it. :)

It kind of scares me that a lot of people are looking for reasons they WOULD shoot someone versus ways they could avoid shooting someone. Makes us look a little blood thirsty doesn't it?
 
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