Irish Jack
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The Illinois Police are not friendly to anyone transporting across their state. The problem is being charged over a small misstep. You could lose your right to own a firearm any where.
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How do you carry in states that don't have reciprocity
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Frank Ettin
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Texas45 said:Ask the lady who fought the court battle over just this "law" how easy it is.
Believe it was in NH or NJ she was passing through and was stopped and arrested court battle was a long one....
If you're thinking of Shaneen Allen, you need to get your facts straight. She was not transporting her gun in the manner required for safe passage under the federal FOPA.
She was not transporting her pistol unloaded, in a locked container. She had her pistol loaded with hollow-points in her purse next to here in her car. She had no defense, nor did she claim a defense, under the FOPA.
Aguila Blanca
Staff
In addition, she was from Pennsylvania and she was arrested in New Jersey. She was not transporting a firearm through New Jersey, she was on the way to visit someone IN New Jersey. No FOPA defense because her situation didn't meet any of the fundamental requirements of the FOPA.Frank Ettin said:If you're thinking of Shaneen Allen, you need to get your facts straight. She was not transporting her gun in the manner required for safe passage under the federal FOPA.
She was not transporting her pistol unloaded, in a locked container. She had her pistol loaded with hollow-points in her purse next to here in her car. She had no defense, nor did she claim a defense, under the FOPA.
Armed_Chicagoan
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Where are you getting this stuff? Transport laws in Illinois are not that bad at all.Irish Jack said:The Illinois Police are not friendly to anyone transporting across their state. The problem is being charged over a small misstep. You could lose your right to own a firearm any where.
(720 ILCS 5/24-1)
Sec. 24-1. Unlawful use of weapons.
(a) A person commits the offense of unlawful use of weapons when he knowingly:
......
(a) (4) does not apply to or affect transportation of weapons that meet one of the following conditions:
(i) are broken down in a non-functioning state; or
(ii) are not immediately accessible; or
(iii) are unloaded and enclosed in a case,
firearm carrying box, shipping box, or other container by a person who has been issued a currently valid Firearm Owner's Identification Card; or
(iv) are carried or possessed in accordance with
the Firearm Concealed Carry Act by a person who has been issued a currently valid license under the Firearm Concealed Carry Act;
In 2011 the Illinois Supreme Court ruled 7-0 that out of state residents do not need a FOID card in Illinois v. Holmes, so (iii) counts as legal transport for non-Illinois residents who don't have a FOID card. "Other container" includes the console or glove box of your car.
Illinois laws aren't nearly as bad as people think they are.
The OP asked what to do when going though a state that doesn't have reciprocity. Reciprocity with his state I assume is what he means. He mentions Illinois, and as has been mentioned they don't offer reciprocity but do allow non-residents who can carry in their home state to have a loaded handgun in their vehicle, just can't exit vehicle with a loaded handgun.
Depending on the state, if the state he is traveling in offers recognition of Utah or Florida CC License, or Arizona. Or even Pennsylvania if that happens to be the state he is going to. I had the Pa LTC for many years before Illinois became a shall issue carry state. You do need your states LTC to get Pa. Pa recognizes 28 states so this could be helpful for a lot of folks. Also the Pa LTC is usually issued while you wait and the cost is $20 for 5 years.
Depending on the state, if the state he is traveling in offers recognition of Utah or Florida CC License, or Arizona. Or even Pennsylvania if that happens to be the state he is going to. I had the Pa LTC for many years before Illinois became a shall issue carry state. You do need your states LTC to get Pa. Pa recognizes 28 states so this could be helpful for a lot of folks. Also the Pa LTC is usually issued while you wait and the cost is $20 for 5 years.
Aguila Blanca
Staff
But thanks to Pennsylvania's former attorney general (who has since resigned as a result of a felony conviction), with maybe one or two exceptions (I've lost track) PA now only recognizes other states' permits for residents of those states. So, for example, a valid Florida permit will no longer allow a New York state resident to carry concealed in Pennsylvania.
AquilaBlanca, You are right. Pa doesn't recognize non-resident LTC from Arizona, Florida, Mississippi, Utah or Virginia. They do recognize them for their states residents'
I guess there might be some states that will offer a non-resident LTC that might be good in Pa if you can't get your states LTC.
I guess there might be some states that will offer a non-resident LTC that might be good in Pa if you can't get your states LTC.
Aguila Blanca
Staff
If there are, it's only because former AG Kane didn't have time to modify the reciprocity agreements before she was convicted and removed from office. All the states you named above were at one time recognized in PA regardless of whether or not the holder was a resident of the issuing state. Ms. Kane made it her personal agenda to revise all those reciprocity agreements to eliminate that "loophole." I think Utah was the last to fall.junglebob said:I guess there might be some states that will offer a non-resident LTC that might be good in Pa if you can't get your states LTC.
Aquila Blanca, Interesting that the Pa Attorney General was sent to prison. I don't think we've had an attorney general go to prison. The present one in Illinois is no friend of the second amendment and I'd like her out of office so I wouldn't mind it happening. We have had 4 of the last 7 governors go to prison.
Blagojevich , a democrat, went to prison for trying to sell Obama's U.S. Senate seat, before him Ryan, a republican, went to prison for selling commercial drivers licenses, this was when he was Secretary of State. See both democrat and republican governors here have equal opportunity to make license plates.
Blagojevich , a democrat, went to prison for trying to sell Obama's U.S. Senate seat, before him Ryan, a republican, went to prison for selling commercial drivers licenses, this was when he was Secretary of State. See both democrat and republican governors here have equal opportunity to make license plates.
Chris Karma
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my brother is a cop in NY
I have asked him about this subject, he tells me that most agencies in NY will arrest, he had never heard of firearm owners protection act until I told him about it.
I told him its legal to go through NY like to VT or something, he would have to arrest anyway because that is the way his agency handles it, maybe the Judge would obey the law but I doubt it.
It's horrible, an attack on a basic civil right, so I avoid my home state - and pray for national reciprocity
I have asked him about this subject, he tells me that most agencies in NY will arrest, he had never heard of firearm owners protection act until I told him about it.
I told him its legal to go through NY like to VT or something, he would have to arrest anyway because that is the way his agency handles it, maybe the Judge would obey the law but I doubt it.
It's horrible, an attack on a basic civil right, so I avoid my home state - and pray for national reciprocity
Chris Karma
Inactive
the Shaneen Allen case is entirely different.
She imagined, like most Americans do, that her license to carry applied to NJ and or every other state.
Only us gun folks know that it does not, that it is not like a drivers license.
I have many liberal friends and they always think I'm using hyperbole when I tell them you can go to prison if you're a gun owner and you cross an unmarked border.
She imagined, like most Americans do, that her license to carry applied to NJ and or every other state.
Only us gun folks know that it does not, that it is not like a drivers license.
I have many liberal friends and they always think I'm using hyperbole when I tell them you can go to prison if you're a gun owner and you cross an unmarked border.
Hunter Customs
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My best advice to anyone traveling with a concealed handgun is to contact the State Attorney General of each State you plan on traveling to or thru and have them send you a clarification on what's legal for you as a CCW holder.
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Bob Hunter
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