I'm not advocating moving as a means of reducing the risks from people coming to the door
I thought it was pretty clear what I was saying. Here, lets look at it again: You said, "...there are no places where evil people do not exist." I reply, "Not sure what that has to do with thinking you need to answer the door with a gun at hand. There are probably evil people who approach you at work, and walk by you on the street, or sit close to you in the cafe." NOTHING that I mentioned has anything to do with the carrying of firearms in general. I specifically was discussing opening a door with a gun in your hand. I'm still not sure what "there are no places where evil people do not exist" has anything to do with that. Unless you are implying that you should always have a gun in your hand when you are around people just because some of them might be evil?? (see how this "implications" stuff leads to totally irrelevant isssues?)Ok then, what are you saying if it's not that you are not sure of what the proximity of evil people has to do with people thinking they need to carry firearms?
Moving may not eliminate the worry. I said "I'd suggest that if I lived in someplace where this was a worry for me, I'd move." You might be able to reduce the worry, you might be able to change the situation so your perception of the problem changes, etc. I don't know that you have to eliminate a worry to justify reducing a worry or changing your circumstances so your protection is better. Grymster and heyduke I believe both addressed that concept.Fair enough. Why would you move if not to eliminate the worry?
I will admit that I hadn't realized that you were drawing a line between "the carrying of firearms in general" and having "a gun in your hand".NOTHING that I mentioned has anything to do with the carrying of firearms in general. I specifically was discussing opening a door with a gun in your hand.
If a move reduces (but does not eliminate) a worry then obviously a worry still exists. If the worry still exists then your statement ("...if I lived in someplace where this was a worry for me, I'd move.") clearly asserts that you would move again (and again until there was no worry). It's pretty clear that this explanation doesn't make logical sense in the context of your original statement, particularly since you stated very clearly that my statement: "You're saying that by moving you could eliminate the worry..." was incorrect.I don't know that you have to eliminate a worry to justify reducing a worry or changing your circumstances so your protection is better.
Ok, this explanation is more consistent with the context of your original statement, although it doesn't make much logical sense. The concept that it is a good idea to alter your own perception so that you feel safer although you really aren't defies logic....you might be able to change the situation so your perception of the problem changes...
Yes. I think there is a huge difference between "I always have my gun on me, and I'm going to answer the door now" and "I'm going to answer the door, I better get a gun."Just to be clear, are you saying that if a person were to carry a gun in a holster as a matter of course at home (including when answering the door) that you would consider that different from a person opening the door with a gun in their hand?
You are claiming an assertion I do not make. I might move until the worry was reduced to such a level I no longer felt it important to have a gun in hand when answering the door. I think you are confusing "worry" with "any remote possibility." Just because there is a remote possibility doesn't mean one should worry about it. We lock the door at night because there is a possibility of someone coming in without us knowing about it. We don't sit there with a gun pointed at the door waiting for that to happen.We haven't eliminated the worry, but we don't worry about it happening enough to do much. I think we may be interchanging the noun and the verb form of worry and that is creating some confusion.If a move reduces (but does not eliminate) a worry then obviously a worry still exists. If the worry still exists then your statement ("...if I lived in someplace where this was a worry for me, I'd move.") clearly asserts that you would move again (and again until there was no worry).
LOL!! As opposed to the good idea of feeling in greater danger than you really are is logical???The concept that it is a good idea to alter your own perception so that you feel safer although you really aren't defies logic.
Don't know about 100 miles, but we have lived about 5 miles from anybody and thought nothing about answering the door at night. Just didn't have a worry about it.Try answering the door at night in a rural area where there is no one for over 100 miles. A little scary huh?
I think we do all have that option, with the possible exception of certain handicapped people. Often we don't take it because it we think it will be more trouble than it is worth, which might really indicate how much of a worry the problem actually is.We dont all have the option of simply picking up and leaving.
So you're not speaking against HAVING a gun at the door nor against the attitude that causes a person to arm himself at all times but rather against the attitude that causes a person to arm himself before answering the door.Yes. I think there is a huge difference between "I always have my gun on me, and I'm going to answer the door now" and "I'm going to answer the door, I better get a gun."
This one, for example. I view a firearm as I view a fire extinguisher, a pocket knife or a spare tire. I don't carry one because I feel the danger is great (or because I need it to feel safe) but rather because it could come in handy someday. Obviously the listed items come in handy at very different frequencies but the point remains.As opposed to the good idea of feeling in greater danger than you really are is logical?
I'm speaking exactly what I said. Why you seem to feel a need to change what I have said all the time seems rather strange to meSo you're not speaking against HAVING a gun at the door nor against the attitude that causes a person to arm himself at all times but rather against the attitude that causes a person to arm himself before answering the door.
I'm not aware of anyone who gets the fire extinguisher out every time they cook, though, or carries one with them as they move from room to room in the house. Spare tire similarly. Lots of difference (to me) between keeping that spare in your trunk as opposed to getting it out (along with your tire tools), and putting it in the passenger seat with you.This one, for example. I view a firearm as I view a fire extinguisher, a pocket knife or a spare tire.
I really didn't think I was changing what you said, I was trying to further clarify. If my rephrase/summary is incorrect, please correct it.I'm speaking exactly what I said. Why you seem to feel a need to change what I have said all the time seems rather strange to me
If I could easily carry a spare tire & a fire extinguisher in my pocket I probably would.I'm not aware of anyone who gets the fire extinguisher out every time they cook, though, or carries one with them as they move from room to room in the house. Spare tire similarly. Lots of difference (to me) between keeping that spare in your trunk as opposed to getting it out (along with your tire tools), and putting it in the passenger seat with you.
When the actual wording is available, I fail to see why there is a need to rephrase it or summarize it to then claim "this is what you mean." You seem to be the only one having trouble understanding what was said. JohnH seems to have it down, grymster has it figured out, heyduke has it, peetzakilla got it, and so on. So i'm not sure if you really are having trouble understanding what most folks seem to find fairly clear, or if you are just looking for an argument. Given past interactions I have a suspicion I know which it is. So you will excuse me if I choose to avoid it and just say my statements stands as written.If my rephrase/summary is incorrect, please correct it.
If I could easily carry a spare tire & a fire extinguisher in my pocket I probably would.
I carry a good deal of gadgetry on me and a good deal more in my vehicle, some of which I've never used, some of which I have.
I was trying to get you to flesh out your position a bit more by providing a summary/rephrase that you could either correct or confirm.I fail to see why there is a need to rephrase it or summarize it to then claim "this is what you mean."