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They turn them full auto very carefully
SimonVallore
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Join Date: 06-29-2005
Posts: 15 How do people turn these ak's full auto
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how are poeple turning ak's full autyo i heard they file down the sear pin is this true and is there a way they do it that it wont just empty the gun
There is no sear in a semi-auto AKM. Most wannabe 1 minute conversions like you are describing rely on simply disabling the disconnector and allowing the hammer to free fall behind the bolt carrier as it moves forward back into battery for as long as the trigger is pulled. One of three things will happen: 1. The gun will basicly slam fire and you will have pseudo-full auto fire 2. The hammer will not strike the firing pin hard enough to fire the primer since it is traveling at the same speed as, and basicly resting on, the bolt carrier and stops at almost the same instant the carrier does (especially with hard primers e.g. Yugo military ammo) If you have an AKM variant insert a loaded mag keep the weapon pointed in a safe direction, fully retract the charging handle and let it slam forward chambering a round. Now remove the magazine and extract the round and note the indent on the (hopefully) unfired primer. The ammunition is designed to withstand nominal impact of the firing pin as the bolt travels forward under normal operation. The impact from the falling hammer won't be much greater if it's allowed to simply follow the bolt carrier as just described. 3. The weapon will fire out of battery i.e. bolt not locked and will blow up making the operator wish he had never tried something so dangerously stupid. IMHO 2 is the most likely occurrence with 3 a close second and 1 a rather distant 3rd. The pressure of the 7.62X39 round is about 40,000 PSI. Not something to play around.
Most correct NFA conversions were done simply by replacing the semi-auto fire control parts with full auto parts along with the bolt carrier and drilling the receiver to accept the needed axis pin. Anytime the bolt or carrier are replaced the headspace MUST be checked. The full auto parts are and have been legal, plentiful and cheap. Far cheaper than machining up a custom solution. It's a very simple conversion since the weapons were originally designed as select fire in the first place and have just been given minor changes to limit them to semi only. I can't see any reason any responsible person would use anything but factory parts in the same configuration as originally intended.
In a nutshell it's now illegal for individuals to manufacture new machine guns although there is a legal precendent which if upheld by the supreme court may change this under some specfic circumstances. In a nutshell the 9th circuit has ruled in US v Robert Stewart Wilson Jr. that congress has no authority to regulate machineguns or manufacture thereof not substantially affecting interstate commerce. "substantially affecting interstate commerce" is the key so you will probably not be able to walk into a gun store and buy a new factory MP5 for the $900 or so retail price anytime soon but you may be able to once again manufacture your own machineguns legally provided the changes you make are substantial and you aren't using ready made parts substantially affecting interstate commerce. The ruling has been stayed pending appeal to the US supreme court. But for right now gun enthusiasts have a verdict decidedly in our favor. You can find the opinon at:
http://www.ca9.uscourts.gov/ca9/newopinions.nsf/90B5FFB18A092A6F88256DDD000000FE/$file/0210318.pdf?openelement
There is some mention of gun kits etc in the case. That is NOT directly relevant to the machinegun issue.
SimonVallore
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Join Date: 06-29-2005
Posts: 15 How do people turn these ak's full auto
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how are poeple turning ak's full autyo i heard they file down the sear pin is this true and is there a way they do it that it wont just empty the gun
There is no sear in a semi-auto AKM. Most wannabe 1 minute conversions like you are describing rely on simply disabling the disconnector and allowing the hammer to free fall behind the bolt carrier as it moves forward back into battery for as long as the trigger is pulled. One of three things will happen: 1. The gun will basicly slam fire and you will have pseudo-full auto fire 2. The hammer will not strike the firing pin hard enough to fire the primer since it is traveling at the same speed as, and basicly resting on, the bolt carrier and stops at almost the same instant the carrier does (especially with hard primers e.g. Yugo military ammo) If you have an AKM variant insert a loaded mag keep the weapon pointed in a safe direction, fully retract the charging handle and let it slam forward chambering a round. Now remove the magazine and extract the round and note the indent on the (hopefully) unfired primer. The ammunition is designed to withstand nominal impact of the firing pin as the bolt travels forward under normal operation. The impact from the falling hammer won't be much greater if it's allowed to simply follow the bolt carrier as just described. 3. The weapon will fire out of battery i.e. bolt not locked and will blow up making the operator wish he had never tried something so dangerously stupid. IMHO 2 is the most likely occurrence with 3 a close second and 1 a rather distant 3rd. The pressure of the 7.62X39 round is about 40,000 PSI. Not something to play around.
Most correct NFA conversions were done simply by replacing the semi-auto fire control parts with full auto parts along with the bolt carrier and drilling the receiver to accept the needed axis pin. Anytime the bolt or carrier are replaced the headspace MUST be checked. The full auto parts are and have been legal, plentiful and cheap. Far cheaper than machining up a custom solution. It's a very simple conversion since the weapons were originally designed as select fire in the first place and have just been given minor changes to limit them to semi only. I can't see any reason any responsible person would use anything but factory parts in the same configuration as originally intended.
In a nutshell it's now illegal for individuals to manufacture new machine guns although there is a legal precendent which if upheld by the supreme court may change this under some specfic circumstances. In a nutshell the 9th circuit has ruled in US v Robert Stewart Wilson Jr. that congress has no authority to regulate machineguns or manufacture thereof not substantially affecting interstate commerce. "substantially affecting interstate commerce" is the key so you will probably not be able to walk into a gun store and buy a new factory MP5 for the $900 or so retail price anytime soon but you may be able to once again manufacture your own machineguns legally provided the changes you make are substantial and you aren't using ready made parts substantially affecting interstate commerce. The ruling has been stayed pending appeal to the US supreme court. But for right now gun enthusiasts have a verdict decidedly in our favor. You can find the opinon at:
http://www.ca9.uscourts.gov/ca9/newopinions.nsf/90B5FFB18A092A6F88256DDD000000FE/$file/0210318.pdf?openelement
There is some mention of gun kits etc in the case. That is NOT directly relevant to the machinegun issue.