How do people turn these ak's full auto

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Bringing in receivers or other parts? I thought the internal rails on civilian AKs were different from the military counterparts.
 
When I find out that I've been associating with someone with ties to criminals, I drop any contact with them, so I didn't press for details. The gist of it is that bringing the whole AK is too much risk and trouble when all that matters is the receiver. Drop it into a civvie, or build it up with a parts kit, something like that. Probably a good thing that I don't know the exact details, but I'm not in any hurry to run to the ATF to tell them what I know either.
 
In some cases, the part or combination of parts alone is legally a machinegun and possession of unregistered parts is illegal, whether or not the person possessing the part or parts has a gun on which they can be installed.

For example, a carbine "M2 kit" is a machinegun of and by itself, and illegal to possess without registration, even if the owner does not have access to an M1 carbine on which to install it.

The ads mentioned are not for sales of machineguns, they are for sales of books. Buying or selling books is not illegal, but doing what they tell you to do is. Some ads even sell parts that they say are "legal to possess". True, in some cases, but if you put those parts in a gun, you are violating the law. The ads are deliberately deceptive, sort of like the guy on the corner telling you that the white stuff is just for pleasure.

Jim
 
There's a huge market of people just bringing the receivers from Iraq and dropping them into legal AKs.
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Baloney. :rolleyes:

I'm sure there have been some that have been snuck back, but its not widespread and there's no "huge market". Higher quality AK parts are already relatively cheap and easy to legally obtain here. Hardy worth the risk of a felony for importing parts sans the required F6 for less than $300 worth of parts. No one with an IQ higher than their shoe size would bother with a receiver.
 
Wy would you want to ruin a perfectly good 'ak' doing this? Join the army and get to go where they are used (legally?) where there is infinite beachhead but no beach and there are NO 'girls gone wild' videos available. Where you can actually say I smoked a camel (with said ak) and come back with pictures. You also get to play with RPG's and other machine guns on someone else's tab. Hell, if you are lucky enough, you may get to play soldier with a real actual honest to goodness tank that really fires and you don't have to make that motorboat sound that makes your lips go numb. :D

No, really. If you want to shoot real quick, learn to bump fire that thing or get a hellfire spring. My brother has one and it really works. Just that the gun has to be broken in good first. His friend emptied the 20 rd magazine non stop like a real ak. It works best on these guns I think. Ar-15 shoot maybe 2-3 rd bursts.
 
Hey, jim. I have a real lightsaber. Honest. Made it myself. I used a bunch of stuff from lowe's hardware, Walmart, and some bits and pieces from a used speak and spell I found at Radio shack. Oh, yeah. I also used my dad's golf club for the blade. I don't think he uses the #5 too much so he may not miss it. No, they don't just wave handles at each other. They use aluminum poles and a coreee...chory...Aww! the guy that thinks up how they fight. You know what I mean.
 
I have a SAR1 and I like it just fine as a semi :D
If I feel the urge to shoot a machine gun, I just go to my buddies and run a few mags thru his Sten.
 
I find it hard to believe that people who can break an AK down to the receiver and then reassemble them again would have any difficulty converting a semi receiver to an illegal machine gun. The conversion isn't as simple as just dropping in a few parts, but it's still a heck of alot easier than smuggling in receivers from overseas and a whole lot less risky. Only a moron would bring receivers back.
 
I agree. Having the opportunity to shoot one over 'there' and taking lots of video to remember the occasion would sure be better than spending time in jail, losing a lot of money and the future headaches such a conviction would bring.
 
The statement that AR-15 FA parts are just "drop-in" is not entirely true. A proper conversion requires installation of the full auto sear, which does involve drilling and machining the civilian AR-15 receiver. The so-called "drop-in auto sear (DIAS) will function but requires that the other parts (bolt carrier, trigger, hammer, sear, selector) be in the M2 configuration. Further, the DIAS is now a machinegun of itself and can legally be used to convert an AR-15 to FA only if registered (few are).

Jim
 
The statement that AR-15 FA parts are just "drop-in" is not entirely true.
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A semi-auto AR-15 with M-16A2 fire control parts will fire three-round bursts, even without an auto sear or any modification to the receiver. I have witnessed this first-hand. One should avoid having M-16 parts anywhere near an AR-15.

There's a huge market of people just bringing the receivers from Iraq and dropping them into legal AKs.
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There is nothing "drop in" about changing the receiver of an AK. As mentioned before, it would be easier to convert an existing semi-auto receiver to full-auto. I have seen this done several times by a C2 manufacturer friend of mine.
 
A semi-auto AR-15 with M-16A2 fire control parts will fire three-round bursts, even without an auto sear or any modification to the receiver. I have witnessed this first-hand. One should avoid having M-16 parts anywhere near an AR-15.
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It may work, but not reliably. What you're doing is creating a slam fire operation. In a rifle it is both extremely unreliable, and very dangerous. When the hammer rides the bolt home, there is often not enough power to fire a round so you'll often have stoppages - live round in the chamber with the hammer down. In such a situation you'll need to use the charging handle to extract & eject the round in the chamber and recock the hammer before you can continue to fire. Very unpredictable, annoying, and unreliable. Also by operating a rifle in a slam fire mode, you run the risk of a catastrophic failure by touching off the round before fully chambered. Unless one enjoys the possibility of pulling pieces of the bolt and reveiver out of their face its not a smart idea. Timing is an important function in a machinegun and for good reason.
 
It may work, but not reliably. What you're doing is creating a slam fire operation. In a rifle it is both extremely unreliable, and very dangerous. When the hammer rides the bolt home, there is often not enough power to fire a round so you'll often have stoppages - live round in the chamber with the hammer down.
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I am aware of these things, but the rifle I witnessed being fired with these modifications fired three-round bursts reliably. I wouldn't have thought this was possible if I had not seen it myself. I have heard that some FALs will fire this way also, but I have not seen it for myself, and I would not try it for fear of an out-of-battery ignition.
 
"Baloney.

I'm sure there have been some that have been snuck back, but its not widespread and there's no huge market".

That might be true for GI's in Iraq, but there is indeed a huge worldwide market for all types of guns. In high school I was offered AK's as well as Thompsons, uzi's, Mac's BXP's, and a lot of other stuff. I'm not quite sure where this stuff comes from, but most drug dealers can get you guns through their connections.
 
A few jots from one who knows

We all know - - don't we - - that anyone with a few smarts in computers can find your language, filter your text for finding any topic they choose, list your computer's whereabouts and frequency of use by various users (as in a public library) and track you down for many and varied offenses you might commit, and even lock you away for an indeterminate time......do we not ?? Just as a perv can be scammed into a "date" with a bogus teeny-bopper, just the same way our conversations can be monitored without search-warrent, by any number of Federal organizations. "They" have probably perched on this site for quite awhile. Sleep safe, sleep tight, sleep legal. That being said, I have a "friend" who showed me an SKS he'd tricked out into "full race" configuration, folding stock and all that "banned" stuff, including select-fire, via a removable key out the bottom of the receiver, and a suppressor which would run at FA and sound like an air rifle. Except it got cherry red after about five minutes. I had no use for one like that but this was 10 years ago. Maybe now I would like to see him again, but I'd sure not ask his address on this page of this site. "It's not really illegal if they don't catch you at it." Not true.
 
Man, what is the point of converting to full auto illegally? You can't shoot it, you can't enjoy it, you risk getting sent to jail and butt raped for years, and you threaten every single law abiding gun owner by giving the antis good reason to not trust gun owners. It's a no-win situation and hurts more people than just you.

If you really love full auto that much then fill out the proper paperwork and get licensed, make a career out of it, etc so it's legit and you don't have to worry about doing anything that can land you in jail. Or just fly to vegas and go to the legal firing ranges where you can pay to shoot them.

Either way, it's just so dumb to risk it for a full auto, and puts the whole shooting sports at risk, so my recommendation is to not do it.
 
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