How can I ask you....

My answer would be "No, Why do you ask, does your child like to get into things and places he/she should not".

IMO, the question from an anti-Gunner would not be, "are there any "Unsecured" guns in the house", but

"Are there any guns in the house".

That is a different question and one that would send up the Red Flag for me.
 
My kids (two boys) are now grown and gone, but our home was a place all the kids came over to all the time. I can't remember anyone ever asking me about guns and I don't think I ever did either. Kids access to the internet was the big issue at that time. :eek:

I do still keep all my guns secured to keep unwanted hands off them. It could be family with young kids visiting, friends with kids, or just the plumber or cleaning service that I don't want having access to my guns.

Personally, I don't see anything wrong with asking or answering. Today, most people are aware that there is plenty of options for secure and quick access to their defensive firearms. My dad on the other hand had weapons laying all over the house.

I remember my son sat down in his recliner when he was about 10 and felt something under the right armrest cover. He lifted it up and saw a 2 shot derringer and immediately looked at me and smiled as he put the cover back down. He respected firearms and it wasn't an issue. You don't really know if that's the case with other people's kids.
 
Steve4102 said:
My answer would be "No, Why do you ask, does your child like to get into things and places he/she should not".

IMO, the question from an anti-Gunner would not be, "are there any "Unsecured" guns in the house", but

"Are there any guns in the house".


That is a different question and one that would send up the Red Flag for me.
Good point on what the actual question would probably be; I think you're correct. The true anti-gun types, as well as those who have drunk the fear of guns Kool-Aid, don't know or care about "secured." They are simply terrified of GUNZ!

I also like your opening sentence. Perhaps that should be a mandatory interview question of any parent whose kid(s) is/are about to visit in your house.
 
I don't think this is really an anti-gun vs pro-gun question. Times have changed, lamenting about how things used to be is moot point in today's world where guns are a major topic and news travels instantly.... any parent might be concerned about how you store your guns regardless of their opinion on gun rights. This is evident by the replies right here in this thread on a gun forum, half of us are ok with the question.

You don't have to tell them you carry, nor should you.

You don't have to tell them how many, or what kind, or why...

another parent asking you the question is not putting you on some govt. registration list...

However they ask it doesn't matter... Do you own guns, Are there guns in the house? all you have to say is any/all guns are locked up.

If you don't keep your guns locked up around children then don't be offended if someone is uncomfortable leaving their child with you, why should you.
 
No, that's all that you have to do. All that I have to do is say, "I don't talk about that" (which is a nicer way to tell the busybody that it's none of their business). And if that response is unsatisfactory, too bad. It's private and none of their business. It's a rude question that shouldn't be asked. Just like I don't ask about unsecured birth control pills or viagra, the ingestion of which could be fatal to a child.
 
It's been years since my kids were small and had friends over to play but I was never asked. If I was I would answer honestly and say "no". This was because all guns were locked up when there were other children in the house.
My daughter's were taught firearm safety early in life and that they could ask to see\handle one at anytime. I never had a reason to think they would touch one without my permission or presence and they never gave me a reason to think so. (But then safe open access will eliminate the need to sneak behind your back to see one)
The one normally unsecured handgun in the house was hidden in a small false wall where only my wife and I knew where it was and was beyond reach of the girls.
It was then locked up for play dates.
 
Isn't funny, I grew up in a house with firearms in closets or in a gun cabinet. Friends came over, I don't think anyone ever asked.
How times have changed. Good or bad, that's how it was at my house and my friends houses. Guns were in closets.

BTW, not loaded.
 
SauerGrapes said:
How times have changed. Good or bad, that's how it was at my house and my friends houses. Guns were in closets.
Or on a shelf above the door to the porch ...

My brother and male cousins all knew and never touched withoout adult permission, and no visiting friends ever went poking around intoi things they had no business poking into.

Times have changed, and not for the better.
 
aguila blanca said:
Times have changed, and not for the better.

Data that I've seen shows accidental childhood deaths due to firearms DECREASING by a factor of 6 over the last 30 or 40 years.

http://www.gunfacts.info/wp-content...l-Child-Firearm-Deaths-and-Handgun-Supply.png

CHILDREN-AND-GUNS-Accidental-Child-Firearm-Deaths-and-Handgun-Supply.png


(Sorry about the size, inserted it as a direct link, don't know how to resize it)

Perhaps the good old days were not as good as some tend to remember.
 
If I didn't know the parents well enough to know what sort of dangerous things they might leave laying around without having to ask, I certainly wouldn't let my child go to their house by themselves. Are you going to do an inspection to make sure they aren't brushing you off? May as well ask if they're a child molester while you're at it. It's a crazy creepy world out there.
 
Color me cynical this morning but I believe the folk that would ask such a question would blab it all around if you told them you DID have guns...e.g. 'You have to be careful about Jim's house THEY HAVE GUNS! They say they have them locked up, but still...'

They'd do this to show how 'concerned' they were or just to gossip.

I also don't think they'd take ANY answer other than a horrified "NO!!!" as an 'appropriate' response to their question 'do you have guns in your house?'

Maybe they would accept a very firm "We don't believe in guns." (please note you have to say 'We' not 'I') as an 'appropriate' response.

P.S. Personally I believe in guns. I've actually seen them and have pictures.
 
45_auto said:
Perhaps the good old days were not as good as some tend to remember

that data chart pretty much cancells any claims about the good ol days when everyone left their guns out and nobody snooped or found them.
 
When my kids were young we lived in military housing on the Army base, and for the most part, my kids' friends were the children of fellow officers. I was never asked about guns or any other safety issue in my home, nor did I ever ask this of others. I assumed that all of my fellow officers were responsible people, and responsible adults. Maybe that was naive but that was my daily reality. In truth, in those days I owned a single firearm, a handgun kept loaded and unsecured in my bedside table drawer. My children knew to not go into that drawer and I never worried a moment about it.

If I were asked that question today I would be comfortable answering with a simple "no". If a truly concerned parent asked about everything that could possibly harm their child if he or she went searching through my home they would have to ask about cleaning chemicals, knives, hammers, guns, electrical outlets, etc. I guess they would need to ask permission to do a full home inspection of my home prior to allowing their child to come there, in which case I would know that they are weirdos and probably not want their child in my home in the first place.

Seriously, I have grandchildren that are less disciplined than I would prefer. One of them, a three year old has virtually no limits placed on him, which is his parent's fault, not his. He thinks nothing of trying to open cabinets and drawers anywhere in the house, looking through women's purses if within his reach, as well as thinking any smartphone of tablet or laptop is there for his playing with. I love this little guy dearly, but insist that his parents keep a very close eye on him when in my home. But because, in fact, I often have one or more of my 12 grandchildren at my home, and some are as young as under 1 and 1 is over 21, I never leave any firearms unsecured other than the one I am carrying on my person.
 
Yep, I would say that today's storage options are making a difference. It's only the anti-gun people and media that refuse to acknowledge that it's not an epidemic.

uc
 
Fas1, could you cross-reference that slide with (estimated) percentage of the population that owns firearms.
I'm guessing that that number of owners as a percentage of population went down as well (although not by 74%).

Everyone in my neighborhood knows I have guns, bows, hunt, etc. It's the worst non-secret in the area. No one is afraid to let their kids play at my house. No one has ever asked if I secure my guns. If people ask, it means they don't know you, or they're grinding an axe.
 
doofus47 said:
Fas1, could you cross-reference that slide with (estimated) percentage of the population that owns firearms.
I'm guessing that that number of owners as a percentage of population went down as well (although not by 74%).

not to speak for Fas1, but there is plenty of easy information out there showing gun ownership has increased over the years... as if the last election crunch wasn't enough evidence.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-for-every-man-woman-and-child-and-then-some/

seems to corroborate Fas1's data. I grew up back in the day when most folks didn't lock up their guns and there wasn't half the selection of safe storage and secure quick access devices there are today even the cheapest clamshell safes are plenty to keep kids away there really isn't any reason to not secure our guns.

I find it interesting to learn so many gun owners find it offensive if someone asks if they have guns locked up for their childrens playdates. Comparing guns to other household dangerous items is not a real comparison, gasoline, meds, chemicals, matches, knives... those items were not designed to kill, but a gun is. And some of those items come with safe storage or other safety devices or are commonly stored away from children or otherwise highly supervised.... but to hell with locking up our guns. Murica.
 
I don' think the issue is whether or not firearms should be secured, for me, the issue is general trust. If some parents don't trust their own children enough to be safe, why would I want them in my house. If they don't trust my children, or ME enough that they have to ASK if I have guns secured, I don't see why I should entertain them, or their little darlings in my home. Period.

Do you think they would be satisfied if I said my guns weren't locked up, but they do have child resistant caps?

Guns aren't the only thing that is designed to kill. MEDICINE does too. Designed to kill disease, but can kill people, when misused.

Loaded guns are one thing, and should be under control at all times. UNLOADED guns are just lumps of metal, wood, and plastic, and other than being used as a club, can harm no one.

I am much less concerned about a young child getting one of my guns, FINDING ammo that fits, then loading it, and killing someone with it than I am concerned with some teenager taking my wife's heart pills thinking they will get high. Yet for that, child "proof" caps are considered all the prudent precaution needed. Even though medicines are always "loaded", no one seems to be yelling or even asking if they are kept in secure storage.
 
I don' think the issue is whether or not firearms should be secured, for me, the issue is general trust. If some parents don't trust their own children enough to be safe, why would I want them in my house. If they don't trust my children, or ME enough that they have to ASK if I have guns secured, I don't see why I should entertain them, or their little darlings in my home. Period.

except thats an unrealistic expectation...

do you really know your childs friends parents well enough to trust them when they say their child would never do something? Do those parents really know you well enough to trust you when you say your child would never do something. Maybe... but how long can you keep that up over the 18 to 20 years your child lives with you and all the different "friends" they bring home (or visit) especially in their teen years.... this isnt just about young children. Its possible you know a few parents and children you can trust, but this isnt just a trust issue alone.
 
Loaded guns are one thing, and should be under control at all times. UNLOADED guns are just lumps of metal, wood, and plastic, and other than being used as a club, can harm no one.

Just to verify - if you had a child you would not be comfortable with said child being at a house where the parents are not always in the same room and there is a load firearm in nearly every corner?

In a discussion about firearm safety the need to run to analogies involving prescriptions and other dangerous items are a kind of red herring. Sure those things are dangerous but they should be considered as separate dangers rather than to distract from the topic at hand.
 
No all the guns are securely mounted, they are a dozen or so L.A.W.S. and a couple of Stinger Missiles in the play room then the claymores in the shed and landmines in the backyard under the windows for the peeping toms.
 
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