Home Defense Shotguns

What's your Home Defense shotgun?

  • Mossberg pump

    Votes: 87 26.0%
  • Mossberg auto

    Votes: 2 0.6%
  • Remington pump

    Votes: 121 36.2%
  • Remington auto

    Votes: 14 4.2%
  • Winchester pump

    Votes: 48 14.4%
  • Benelli auto

    Votes: 17 5.1%
  • Benelli pump

    Votes: 12 3.6%
  • Other pump

    Votes: 13 3.9%
  • Other auto

    Votes: 10 3.0%
  • Other (SxS, O/U, single shot)

    Votes: 10 3.0%

  • Total voters
    334
Moss(broken)bergs

Mossbergs are OK if you want a shotgun that breaks action bars. I was in a class where two 590s went down one right after the other with broken action bars. The sights are not good either. The only way I could get mine to pattern was to install a Patternmaster.

Not only that but the silly plastic safety broke off and its a pain in the rear to Side Saddle it.

Had to polish the magazine tube so that it would feed. I dumped it for another 870 and followed Crews' advice about how to set up the 870 and it is one heck of a tool.

I know, most people don't break them but when you are running 100-200 rounds of bird shot and 100 rounds of 00 and 50 rounds of slugs per day, you find out really quick which shotguns work and which don't.

As for lights, you need a light on a shotgun even in your own home. It does not mean you have to light up the world, only to identify the bad guys.

Speedfeed stocks are not good either, they are too long and the rounds bounce out of them under recoil. The Speedfeed youth model stock is a better option because it reduces the length of pull to where an average human being can absorb the recoil. Most of these shotguns come with a stock that is 2 inches too long anyway.

Well, enough said.
 
Actually, Most of the supposed problems with the mossberg can be solved by putting the metal safety on them and taking them apart and examining them as soon as you get them home from the store.

My shotgun had a burr on the interruptor latch, making it spit rounds out of the tube after the lifter raised itself into place. (the rounds dumped out onto the ground) after fixing that problem, the gun has worked perfectly.
 
590a1 w/o speedfeed but it does have a sidesaddle,sling,and yes i have a bayonet to cover any last minute suprises.
 
The tang-safety is important for left-handed shooters. SO shoots left, so the Mossberg Bantam 500 20-ga is what is at hand because it is easily operated by either of us.
 
ST/Wilson 870 slide-action "FBI Model"--short stock, ghost rings, foreend light. No bayonet, but have a pistol on night table. I'm not charging anywhere, unless it's a Pottery Barn sale.:D

Tamara, can you post a poll on if there are too many polls? Link it to bears and a lot more people will participate.
 
I have the nine-shot Mossberg 590 with the "ghost ring" peep and front blade with orange paint on it. It is also my back up deer gun, in case my rifle goes down. The 590 also takes the M16 bayonet, if you feel excessively tactical some evening.

So far the only thing the 590 has been fired at is turkey sighting in targets, silhouettes, and a few grouse. I missed the grouse and hit everything else, out to 100 yards.
 
Just curious, why would anyone want ghost rings on a HD shotgun? I went with the heat shield on my 590, and I'm glad I had it the first time I emptied the tube rapidly.
 
Shotguns

Minuteman Technical Bulletin September 23,2002

Just some Random Thoughts about the Scattergun

It is one of my favorite tools and I love teaching people what can really be done with them. You know, like hitting a 10 inch steel plate off hand at 200 yards with slugs.....

Heat shields on a shotgun.....You are not supposed to touch the barrel. I have never seen the need for anything like that on a shotgun. I have run 870's and 11-87's as fast as can be run and yeah the barrels get hot, but you are not supposed to touch them. Let the bad guy do that.

Ghost rings on shotguns-Well there are two schools of thought on sights. Ghost rings are fast and accurate, but then again so are a standard set of rifle sights.

Sights need to be on the shotgun because at close ranges your shot spread is small and it is easy to miss. With a set of sights, even if you do not have a cheek weld, but can get on the sights you can hit. You cannot do that with a bead.

Speak of bead sights-Ever try to zero a set? Most 18" barrels using a bead sight will shoot 14-18 inches high at 25 yards; another reason for a set of sights. On those types of barrels you zero the barrel by bending the barrel in a special jig. No kidding.

But with a set of rifle or ghost ring sights, you can cure the problem easily.

Most people say well, I am shooting buck shot, what does it matter. It matters a lot. I have two shotguns that will shoot less than 4 inch groups at 25 yards using Fed Tactical H132 and one shotgun using Hornady Tap that runs under 3 inches at 20 yards. So, I reckon a set of sights is a necessary tool for me.

As for in the home, you need to pattern that shotgun, at distances of 3, 5, 7, 9, 10 yards. Measure the distances across each room of your home, down the hall, in the front and back yards, and see what you come up with. The average living room today is 7 yards; that is 21 feet across, some go 10 yards. Do you know what your shotgun will do at that distance?

You know, some people think that the bigger the spread the better. Well, in some instances yes, but not in the home; or in the urban environment. What you need in that situation is the absolute knowledge of what your shotgun and ammunition load is going to do. Loose rounds down range killing a 3 year old kid in their bed room or on their tricycle is not a good thing. You also need to know how to select your load and be able to do it in under 1.5 seconds. This is not called a select slug drill; it is called a select load drill. You load what you need for the particular application.

A side saddle is probably the best method of carrying spare ammunition, as the shotgun should be a self contained fighting tool. Avoid those slings with loops on the gun, and butt cuffs are OK for a hunting situation but not for a tactical environment. The Speed Feed Stocks with those twin two round carriers are horrible. Under recoil the ammunition moves forward and then to the rear damaging the leading round and often dumping a round to the ground. They are slow and inefficient to load from as well.

Flash lights are a good item to have on the shotgun, but not mandatory, as long as you know how to run your Sure Fire and cycle the action at the same time. You know, that you do not let the light go out between hits right....You keep him lit until you are sure he is down and out. And do not believe for an instance that one load of 00 buck or one slug is a sure fire stopper, because it isn't.

A sling is a good idea on the shotgun as long as you know what you are doing with it and what it is really for. It is kind of hard to do a transition to the handgun and retain the shotgun at the same time; allowing yourself the opportunity to go to a Harries Technique with the handgun. You cannot do that if you do not have a sling.

Extended magazines are not that great of an idea, especially if the magazine extension does not close the gap at the end of the onboard magazine. Most of the after market ones do not do this well, causing the magazine spring to bind at the gap. Oh well, that is why you carry your handgun, so that you can practice transitions when you cannot get the shotgun to work because the magazine spring is all bound up.

Again and again, those stocks are way too long especially those folding metal ones. Not only that but they do not let you get a good cheek weld unless they have been custom modified.

I wish Roger Small had never sold Scattergun to Bill Wilson, now we cannot get the parts we need, especially "T" Pins.

Choking has little to do with patterning of the shotgun. A good quality choke simply retards the wad so that the shot can leave the barrel without all that gas pressure behind the shot load, minimizing the spread of the shot. However, if you are not using a shot load that is encapsulated within a shot cup, no choke will be able to do it's job well. Thus the reason for patterning your shotgun with as many loads as possible to determine which combination works best.

Reduced recoil slugs also mean reduced penetration. Felt recoil is a function of stock length. Too long a stock means for felt recoil. Do you know how to measure your stock for correct length? Most people do not.

Shotguns are aimed just like a rifle. You press the trigger the same way. You follow through just as you would with a rifle. We are not talking about shooting clays; we are talking about shooting bad guys. And besides, I shoot clays with my rifle and my handgun. It is too easy with a shotgun.

If you replace the forend on the Remington 870 with one of those tactical forends or a SureFire light forend, you had better trim the back edge of it or you will be sorry; lots of blood on the range when people do not listen. Shotgun classes are fast and furious, when you let that palm or little finger get between the forend and the edge of the receiver, you will know that you have done it. It is by the way, a self correcting error.

Well, enough of this for tonight.

Jim Crews
Copyright 2002 by Jim Crews
 
Quick question.

How many have actually shot any sort of drills where they can put "steel on target" rapidly & better yet, accurately?

Best "sweet thang" you can have won't do didlly if you can't - or haven't.

Sorry, but am amused at the "vang-camp & butt strap-stuff" somehow & I'm on a "hangover" from a SHTF thread.

Any shotgun that you are very compentent with will get you by toot sweet. Bells 'n whistles will get you - and yours - killed, if you haven't put in the practice time.

You can't buy it.
 
Mons Meg, many of us use our HD shotguns in other roles, mine get used as venison makers. Others see an urban defense role for their shotguns.

A pure HD tool will work fine with a bead. Jim's comments on GR sights are on the money,tho I'd prefer to see folks pattern at the longest distance plus one yard for HD. A few shots up close will emphasize the need for precision, tho.
 
Mine's a plain-jane Mossberg 500, the model with the 20" tube and the 8-shot magazine. No fancy enhancements other than the Butler Creek metal folding stock & pistol grip, and the fiberoptic front sight.
 
I've really gotten to like my son's Remington Youth 870 in 20 ga. In fact, the wife likes it too and can handle it very well, so it's pretty much become our default HD SG.
 
Dave,

I agree there is a place for the sights. I was thinking as you said for a purely HD shotgun, (which mine is) a bead is all you need. And maybe a light. Note to self...get a light.
 
Agreed then, Mons. When I get to re-retire, I plan on getting some "Serious" style shooting in, to keep up my "chops", have fun, and do a bit of research. One of the first things I plan on doing is some timed scenarios comparing close range hits and times with the various 870s here.

Frankenstein has a bead, my two gotos have peeps with the apertures removed. A few fast COFS will give solid info on how fast and well sights of divers styles can be acquired.
 
I use a Benelli Nova SP w/ LPA ghost rings. It has the ninja of death mag extension on it for a grand total of 7+1 rounds. Eventually it is going to be replaced by an 870 with a light aboard.

mons-meg- Sometimes...well never since TFLers never miss...but for other certain folks when they get excited or they are looking at a threat, they tend to take their head slightly off the cheekpiece. With a ghost ring setup the movement is immediately noticed, it is not quite as apparent with a bead setup.
 
My latest housewarmer is a Mossberg 500 with the factory pistol grip and 18.5 inch barrel. Bought it mainly becase of the great price a friend made me on it in his shop. Next time I get over to Cheaper Than Dirt in Ft. Worth I plan to add a folding stock, heatshield and either a white light for the front end or one of those high-falutin' red dot BSA optical sights, like the 50mm job.

Of course, I'm keeping the perfectly good pistol grip.

Regards,
Rabbit.

You can always tell an old soldier by the insides of his holsters and cartridge boxes. The young ones carry pistols and cartridges: the old ones, grub. - George Bernard Shaw.
 
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