Holy Mother Of God!

I wish I had printed out "Verichip's" website when they first started out about seven or eight years ago. On their web site, they stated specifically that they had NO INTENTION OF EVER USING THIS TECHNOLOGY ON HUMANS. It was strictly for 'keeping track of animals'.

The thing that frightens me is NOT that they lied (big surprise) but that we as a people have come to the point where we rationalize the use of this technology at all. Hard to get through the day WITHOUT a few juicy rationalizations.

I am NOT being religious when I say that once it is decided by 'the powers that be' that NO person will be able to transact business WITHOUT this RFID chip (embedded OR NOT) then we are EXACTLY where the BIBLE said we would be. When was the BIBLE WRITTEN?

HOW DO YOU BOIL A LOBSTER? VERY SLOWLY!

Exactly how we have been introduced to this and most other 'Big Brother' technology. Rationalizing WHY this is a good thing scares me. No offense to ANYONE HERE, it just seems to scream SHEEPLE mentality.
 
So... anybody for a group buy of heavy gauge aluminum foil? I'm willing to bet that, as soon as implanted tracers become the law of the land, tinfoil accents to clothes will become a major fashion rage...
 
What scares me is the name of the main company that is pushing the human implanted chips, DigitalAngle. I've just become spiritual (about a year or so ago) but still, just the name gives me the hebie jeebies.

As for using these in school, it's a shame that our society has gotten to the point that child rapist and killers are getting so bold that they will create such a problem and that we have to give up our children to being ID'd just to keep them safe.

I can fully understand how a parent would want anything/everything done to keep their child safe from people like that, but to have them ID'd (chipped) just doesn't seem right to me.

When I was in the Air Force I was "chipped" with my line badge to get in and out of some of the hangers on onto the flightline to do my job. But It only gave me a pass for those areas and were not used to track my every move while on base (if it did, I would have been questioned about my like of the Class 6).

I think that this is maybe a slope that starts out at school and then, for convinence(sp, sorry), they "chip" them and then, well, you see what I'm getting at.

Wayne
 
This came from Fox news, here's the link, http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,147866,00.html

School Ditches Student-Tracking Badges
Wednesday, February 16, 2005

SUTTER, Calif. — A grade school that required students to wear radio frequency identification badges that can track their every move has ended the program because the company that developed the technology pulled out.

"I'm disappointed. That's about all I can say at this point," Earnie Graham, the superintendent and principal of Brittan Elementary School (search) in Sutter, said Tuesday night. "I think I let my staff down. Nobody on this campus knows every student."

The badges, developed by Sutter-based technology company InCom Corp. (search), were introduced Jan. 18. The school board was set to talk about the policy Tuesday night but tabled the discussion after InCom announced it was terminating its agreement.

School district lawyer Paul Nicholas Boylan said InCom cited the intense media attention and concern the badges were being damaged by families opposed to them. "They can go someplace where they wouldn't have any risk of vandalism," he said.

"I'm not convinced it's over," parent Dawn Cantrall, who filed a complaint with the American Civil Liberties Union (search), told the (Marysville) Appeal-Democrat. "I'm happy for now that kids are not being tagged, but I'm still fighting to keep it out of our school system. It has to stop here."

The system
was imposed, without parental input, by the school as a way to simplify attendance-taking, and potentially reduce vandalism and improve student safety. Brittan appeared to be the first U.S. school district to embrace such a monitoring system.

While many parents criticized the badges for violating privacy and possibly endangering children's health, some parents favored the plan.

"Any kind of new technology has the potential for misuse, but I feel confident the school is not going to misuse it," parent Mary Brower told the newspaper before the meeting.

Students were required to wear an identification card around their necks with their picture, name and grade and a wireless transmitter that beamed their ID number to a teacher's handheld computer when the child passed under an antenna posted above a classroom door.

The school had already disabled the scanners above classroom doors and was not disciplining students who didn't wear the badges.
 
School district lawyer Paul Nicholas Boylan said InCom cited the intense media attention and concern the badges were being damaged by families opposed to them.
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Bwa-Ha-Ha-Ha-Ha! Let's think twice before we label our neighbors "Sheeple"!
Rich
 
HOW DO YOU BOIL A LOBSTER? VERY SLOWLY!

Exactly how we have been introduced to this and most other 'Big Brother' technology. Rationalizing WHY this is a good thing scares me. No offense to ANYONE HERE, it just seems to scream SHEEPLE mentality.
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Kind of like the tinfoil hat "jokes" which weren't funny ten years ago when the "leftists" were doing it and still aren't funny now when the neo-cons do it.
 
Anything that transmits can be tracked, easily. Electronics work like sound, you can easily hear anything over a wide frequency, you may not understand the language or secret code, but finding the source is easy. If I was a kidnapper and this technology was common, it would not be an obsticle to block or destroy the signal. Jamming it should be super easy, not to mention they are very range limited.

If this was a good idea, why not get bracelets for your kids for whenever they leave the house, or for yourself incase you are injured in the middle of no where, or kidnapped? :barf:
 
This would solve nothing.. Any smart kid would just let his friend take his badge to school for him and go to the mall. As soon as that happens the school will want to implant them so there can be no fraud.. etc..

What kind of parent would let their kid be taged like cattle.

So the question is.. what can we do as a single person to stop this???
 
At the risk af fanning the flames

Plenty of employers do this now with badges

Security can tell , at the very least, what doors you have gone through and therefore where you are at any given time.

While it is touted as a security issue I am certain managers can obtain data on total hours worked in any given period :D

Is it a bad idea to be able to know at a a glance where every child is?

I think most parents hope that is the case now.(naive but hopeful)

This is just an effort to use technology to do that.

With all the concerns over school security especially post 9/11 I am surprised all schools don't have security doors and badges already.

I think the plan has some holes in it simply because a badge is so easy to remove, swap, etc.

Which would seem to indicate implantation would be the next step
 
I've been gone for about 3 weeks now. You wouldn't think pnumonia (sp?) would be such a health risk at 34 yaers old. Darn stuff nearly put me in hospital, and had me down, and I mean DOWN all this time. Nasty strains of stuff out, very resistant to current antibiotics, ect. ANYWAY......

I am not real sure EXACTLY where I stand on this issue. I think I would like to know where my kids were at all times. If they were abducted, God forbid, they could be pin-pointed anywhere in the US in minutes, and hopefully rescued before sicko kills them....I think thats a good idea. And to lessen the paranoia effect, once a person turned 18, they could choose not to wear them, have them removed, ect.

I have often thought of a variation of the chip thing for years now. I think it would be very helpful to have every single active military personnel implanted with a global tracking and positioning chip. Imagine, knowing EXACTLY where your troops are, everywhere on the battlefield? Captured? Oh, THERES THE SECRET PLACE THE ENEMY TOOK HIM TO. Send a squad in. They are gonna cut his head off, and we can't FIND them? Not today akmed! THERE HE IS. Go get him. I am ex-military, and I would have let them do it in a second while I was active. Would have took away alot of worry. No more fear of capture and imprisonment for YEARS in tiger cages in the jungle. FIND OUR GUYS who are wounded, captured, in trouble INSTANTLY. Friggin' BRILLIANT I think. And when your service ends, remove chip, go on about your life.

The way I figure it with the kids I guess, is that a kid needs no 'privacy' from ME, their FATHER, in the 'where the hell are/were you department'. Its my JOB to know where my kids are at all times. Privacy in other things, sure. Always, but they are my responsibility, while they are under 18, and I would want to know where they are, especially if they were in danger of any kind. I don't think it should be used to monitor their every step, but it would be useful in a danger situation....
 
Derius-
Glad to hear you're on the mend.

I, too, can understand a Parent's wish to know their childrens' whereabouts. But the article in question is not about a GPS tracking device and, as has been pointed out, probably as much manpower will be involved in correcting logs where RFID's are lost, stolen, borrowed, tampered with and jammed as are currently used to check attendance, ID's and Hall Passes.

Personally, I think the whole issue of desensitization is an important one. Best summed up here: "Michael Cantrall, parent of one of the children at Brittan Elementary, said: 'Are we trying to bring them up with respect and trust, or tell them that you can't trust anyone, you are always going to be monitored and someone is always going to be watching you?', according to a report in the Associated Press."

I think it would be very helpful to have every single active military personnel implanted with a global tracking and positioning chip.
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Be careful what you ask for. Chip implant everyone in the left arm and you're gonna be collecting a whole lot of left arms on fields of battle where animals like Al Qaeda are concerned. Drop 'em in a vital organ and the captors have only two choices: Let the capured US Soldier return to his unit to fight again, or kill him on the spot.
Rich
 
Rich wrote:

Personally, I think the whole issue of desensitization is an important one. Best summed up here: "Michael Cantrall, parent of one of the children at Brittan Elementary, said: 'Are we trying to bring them up with respect and trust, or tell them that you can't trust anyone, you are always going to be monitored and someone is always going to be watching you?', according to a report in the Associated Press."
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You know, its a weird time we live in, and as parents, its frustrating. It seems to me that the world as a whole is a lot more dangerous than it was when I was a kid. I mean we had violence and stuff, but it just feels like things are getting out of hand, and the society of today is much more dangerous. Thats why I'm kind of on the fence here. I raise my children to respect, and trust, obey laws, ect, but part of me wants to tell them "don't trust anyone" at the same time. :rolleyes: Maybe I'm over protective, but what else to I have thats worth being over protective about, if not my kids?

Be careful what you ask for. Chip implant everyone in the left arm and you're gonna be collecting a whole lot of left arms on fields of battle where animals like Al Qaeda are concerned. Drop 'em in a vital organ and the captors have only two choices: Let the capured US Soldier return to his unit to fight again, or kill him on the spot.
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True there would be some risks, but are the risks worth it? Chances are that if captured, they will not remain whole anyway. It has been shown time and again, and I think I would rather take the chance of being found, and or having enemy eliminated, as to being 'MIA'. And I know it would be nearly impossible to keep something like this 'under wraps' what with the media of today, but I would think that it would be definately hush-hush. And as I said, even if they eventually killed the soldier, as they are most likely going to anyway, at least we would be privy to the enemy locations.
 
I have an easy fix for this

If a person molests a child make it so it wont happen again.
KILL THEM
No proal, no second trial, no nothing
KILL THEM
 
If a person molests a child make it so it wont happen again.
KILL THEM
No proal, no second trial, no nothing
KILL THEM
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I can't say that I disagree with this statement.

Wayne
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Given the 99.99% recidivism among pedophiles despite all efforts to "rehabilate" or "cure" them (or even neuter them!) I'd agree.
 
The way I figure it with the kids I guess, is that a kid needs no 'privacy' from ME, their FATHER, in the 'where the hell are/were you department'. Its my JOB to know where my kids are at all times. Privacy in other things, sure. Always, but they are my responsibility, while they are under 18, and I would want to know where they are, especially if they were in danger of any kind. I don't think it should be used to monitor their every step, but it would be useful in a danger situation....

I have no objection if a family decides they wish something like this (*)

But, there are a multitude of things that a Parent can/should decide, that the State should NOT be deciding! This, is one of them. IMHO.

(*) with a caveat that the child can appeal, in the case of abuse, etc. There are probably some other exceptions that would be wise as well.
 
I don't even want to get started on the states meddling with parenting.

Now I realize there are some really crappy parents, that don't deserve to be parents, and those parents DO need to be helped, instructed, taught, shot, whatever.

BUT, it is REALLY bad in this country the way people interfere with parents. You can't DARE dicipline your kids, or you are a horrible monster, who deserves to go to jail, but when they grow up and go bad because you weren't allowed to discipline them, ITS YOUR FAULT, and your a crappy parent....GRRRR! I'm done..... :mad:
 
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