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He killed his horse to have something to lay his rifle on?
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He killed his horse to have something to lay his rifle on?
Uncle Billy
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Seemed to me he did. It happened fast, but I think I saw him jump off the horse, point his Colt Walker at the horse's chest and fire; the horse immediately fell and Gus laid down behind his carcass, using it as a barrier. The country they were in was a flat, arid, level desert with no natural cover anywhere in sight. There was a little depression in the ground which Gus picked as the place he'd face his pursuers, so downed his horse there.
That's one of the things about "Lonesome Dove"- they told the story without many of the usual restrains. Two kids get killed by a renegade names "Blue Duck", one of the central characters gets hanged after he fell in with some evil guys who killed and burned a farmer and his son...
By the way, Blue train is right, "Death Hunt" was an excellent gun movie. The continuity people did a good job of getting things right. It's one of Charles Bronson's most convincing roles. As for accurate history...well, it made a good story anyway, and Bronson gets away at the end because the leader of the pursuing Mounties (Lee Marvin), lets him go, which was reasonable given what had gone on in the movie up to then.
That's one of the things about "Lonesome Dove"- they told the story without many of the usual restrains. Two kids get killed by a renegade names "Blue Duck", one of the central characters gets hanged after he fell in with some evil guys who killed and burned a farmer and his son...
By the way, Blue train is right, "Death Hunt" was an excellent gun movie. The continuity people did a good job of getting things right. It's one of Charles Bronson's most convincing roles. As for accurate history...well, it made a good story anyway, and Bronson gets away at the end because the leader of the pursuing Mounties (Lee Marvin), lets him go, which was reasonable given what had gone on in the movie up to then.
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Here is some more useless trivia about the true story:
In Death Hunt, there is a separate character called the mad trapper. In real life, the fugitive, Albert Johnson, was given the name by the radio people. There was an airplane that figured prominently in the original chase but it wasn't armed at all and did not crash into a mountainside. Just like the guns I mentioned, it's hanging in some Canadian museum. The actors portraying both Johnson and Millen (the Mountie) were about 30 years too old for the parts but they were fine in the movie as it was. In addition to the original gunfight at the trapper's cabin, there was another a few weeks later and Millen was killed, while Johnson got away. However, they caught up with him after all. This all took place in January and February in the Yukon. It was a sensationalized event at the time and it helped to give the Mounties the reputation for always getting their man.
There was also another movie called Challenge to be Free based on the story that contained most of the elements, including blowing up a cabin but it was done more as a children's story. Both movies mention dogs in the story but there were none in the true story except as the Mountie's sled dogs.
Given that in Death Hunt, the movie with the bigger stars and bigger budget, so many facts were ignored and turned upside down, you wonder why they bothered to get his gun right.
In Death Hunt, there is a separate character called the mad trapper. In real life, the fugitive, Albert Johnson, was given the name by the radio people. There was an airplane that figured prominently in the original chase but it wasn't armed at all and did not crash into a mountainside. Just like the guns I mentioned, it's hanging in some Canadian museum. The actors portraying both Johnson and Millen (the Mountie) were about 30 years too old for the parts but they were fine in the movie as it was. In addition to the original gunfight at the trapper's cabin, there was another a few weeks later and Millen was killed, while Johnson got away. However, they caught up with him after all. This all took place in January and February in the Yukon. It was a sensationalized event at the time and it helped to give the Mounties the reputation for always getting their man.
There was also another movie called Challenge to be Free based on the story that contained most of the elements, including blowing up a cabin but it was done more as a children's story. Both movies mention dogs in the story but there were none in the true story except as the Mountie's sled dogs.
Given that in Death Hunt, the movie with the bigger stars and bigger budget, so many facts were ignored and turned upside down, you wonder why they bothered to get his gun right.
Uncle Billy
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Saw a Viking warrior once, waving his sword with a nice expansion-band wrist watch aboard.
We watched one of the several recent cowboys-and-aliens movies a few weeks ago. One guy was carrying a stainless Smith&Wesson Model 29.
The particularly annoying thing was that there are entire companies that specialize in period props. Why bother with historical accuracy for everything *except* the guns?
The particularly annoying thing was that there are entire companies that specialize in period props. Why bother with historical accuracy for everything *except* the guns?
In reference to Lonesome Dove: He killed his horse for cover, using it as a breastworks. In addition, he killed the horse with his blade (a Green River, I think), not the Walker. Also, he carried a Henry repeater (1866 maybe?), not a Sharps. Dog Face (the dancer that was gutshot) had a Sharps with telescopic sights. The scene was depicted to be on the Llano Estacado in West Texas, the fabled Staked Plain.
Prof Young
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No primers
And have you ever noticed in close ups of guy carrying ammo belts that the bullets have no primer in them. Pay close attention to the last 20 minutes of Saving Private Ryan to see prime examples.
Live well, be safe
Prof Young
And have you ever noticed in close ups of guy carrying ammo belts that the bullets have no primer in them. Pay close attention to the last 20 minutes of Saving Private Ryan to see prime examples.
Live well, be safe
Prof Young
Uncle Billy
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Thanks, Ben, for the corrections.
The other Bruce from NJ...
The "Die Hard 2" Glock rant pops up a lot in the "Hollywood is BS" posts on gun forums.
Another Bruce Willis film, Mercury Rising, www.IMDb.com , does have a fairly accurate scene where Willis' FBI special agent character correctly states that a big HK Mark 23 model 0 SOCOM .45acp pistol left at a crime scene is a bit out of place for a street criminal & costs around $1200.00(late 1990s era).
Most major films & TV series have retired LE officers or spec ops tech advisors on set.
I did see the DVD cover & theater poster for the WW2 action film; The Great Raid where a Ranger is clearly holding a M9 Beretta 9x19mm!
That's just poor film making,
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Clyde
The "Die Hard 2" Glock rant pops up a lot in the "Hollywood is BS" posts on gun forums.
Another Bruce Willis film, Mercury Rising, www.IMDb.com , does have a fairly accurate scene where Willis' FBI special agent character correctly states that a big HK Mark 23 model 0 SOCOM .45acp pistol left at a crime scene is a bit out of place for a street criminal & costs around $1200.00(late 1990s era).
Most major films & TV series have retired LE officers or spec ops tech advisors on set.
I did see the DVD cover & theater poster for the WW2 action film; The Great Raid where a Ranger is clearly holding a M9 Beretta 9x19mm!
That's just poor film making,
.Clyde
Rifleman1776
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Now......tell us something we don't know.
603Country
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Watching period movies can give anybody a reason to grump. I have a good friend that is/was a real honest to goodness cowboy, though he's gotten past the age where he can ride anymore. He could care less about what rifle or pistol a movie cowboy might be shooting, but it the cowboy doesn't sit the horse well, my buddy will not watch the movie. In his view, it isn't a cowboy movie if you don't have real cowboys on the horses. He refuses to watch any new cowboy movies and will not watch any of Eastwood's spaghetti westerns ("those ain't American horses"). For the record, the late Ben Johnson was one of the best movie horsemen around (per my buddy). And so was John Wayne.
Uncle Billy
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egor20 wrote:
This ought to be posted in the "Legal" partition of this forum, but the topic came up here so I posted it here. If the mods disagree, they'll move or delete it.
It is possible to get CC licensed in a lot of states. For instance, 28 states recognize my NY CC permit. Pennsylvania will issue me a CC non-resident permit based on my NY CC license and a background check, which increases the list of states I may legally CC because PA has reciprocity with them. The combination of reciprocity and non-resident permits makes it possible to CC legally in a lot of states.
Here's a link to information about this:
http://www.handgunlaw.us/
This ought to be posted in the "Legal" partition of this forum, but the topic came up here so I posted it here. If the mods disagree, they'll move or delete it.
It is possible to get CC licensed in a lot of states. For instance, 28 states recognize my NY CC permit. Pennsylvania will issue me a CC non-resident permit based on my NY CC license and a background check, which increases the list of states I may legally CC because PA has reciprocity with them. The combination of reciprocity and non-resident permits makes it possible to CC legally in a lot of states.
Here's a link to information about this:
http://www.handgunlaw.us/
"Demo Dick" Marcinko; US Navy SEALs, Red Cell-DevGru....
Not to stray off topic too much, ...
In his early 1990s era books(non fiction) about US Navy SpecWar & counter-terrorist ops, Richard Marcinko, www.dickmarcinko.com , wrote that the Dept of the Navy/JAG office had a SOP for any spec ops SEALs to call a special toll free ATF # to use if they are armed or have weapons/ammunition then have a contact with law enforcement(state troopers, customs, deputies, etc).
Not to stray off topic too much,
...In his early 1990s era books(non fiction) about US Navy SpecWar & counter-terrorist ops, Richard Marcinko, www.dickmarcinko.com , wrote that the Dept of the Navy/JAG office had a SOP for any spec ops SEALs to call a special toll free ATF # to use if they are armed or have weapons/ammunition then have a contact with law enforcement(state troopers, customs, deputies, etc).
Not to dispute what the honorable contributer from Texas, Mr. 603Country, but not all Westerns involved cowboys. Why not, I don't know, but that's beside the point. Some involved prospectors and miners, lumbermen and loggers, and one Gene Autry movie involved a group of workers called "turpentiners." There was a Roy Rogers (I think) movie in which the plot revolved around lions or bears coming in from a national park and killing livestock. Sounds very contempory, doesn't it?
I'm willing to suspend my disbelief in order to be entertained but any departure from the film's assumed reality jars me into remembering that I'm just watching a movie.
The more you know, the harder it is to maintain the disbelief.
Another obvious point, already alluded to, is that the movies are made for the masses to buy admission for and most don't know enough about technical matters to significantly affect the bottom line. So, the less specific the intended audience, the less accurate the producers are motivated to be.
There is a tipping point beyond which a movie with a lot of continuity errors crosses from being irritating back over into being entertaining
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None of which, of course, negates the OP's original premise.
Will
The more you know, the harder it is to maintain the disbelief.
Another obvious point, already alluded to, is that the movies are made for the masses to buy admission for and most don't know enough about technical matters to significantly affect the bottom line. So, the less specific the intended audience, the less accurate the producers are motivated to be.
There is a tipping point beyond which a movie with a lot of continuity errors crosses from being irritating back over into being entertaining
.None of which, of course, negates the OP's original premise.
Will
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