armoredman
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There was a sign years ago that said, "Don't worry about it, it's in the script."
HollyWood is full of idiots
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My favorite, which I see on screen in both movies and TV at least once a week is the "server room" scenes. Someone walks into a room full of rack after rack of servers and network equipment with lots of flashing lights on it. They converse with each other and there is no background noise and no one says "huh?" or ever raises their voice. Anyone who has ever been in one of those rooms knows that it's often much like being in the room with a running vacuum cleaner. The fan noise varies but a full rack of anything is noisy. If it's disk storage or something like that it can be just short of deafening.
Danny Glover shot 20 people with a revolver in Lethal Weapon and never reloaded. Cars being jumped out of 10 story buildings and not only does the driver/car survive but if he's the 'good guy' he then chases the BG's down.
In other words, it's the movies. We sit and watch all these things that aren't possible and unrealistic for entertainment then when they don't use the right prop bullets, Hollywoods full of idiots.
No, Hollywood's full of entertainers/producers that will keep making money by churning out unrealistic movies for us to keep spending our time/money watching...again for entertainment.
Guess if we want to watch something expecting it to be realistic, we should watch an autobiography.
In other words, it's the movies. We sit and watch all these things that aren't possible and unrealistic for entertainment then when they don't use the right prop bullets, Hollywoods full of idiots.
No, Hollywood's full of entertainers/producers that will keep making money by churning out unrealistic movies for us to keep spending our time/money watching...again for entertainment.
Guess if we want to watch something expecting it to be realistic, we should watch an autobiography.
Brandon Lee; The Crow, Miami Vice, IMDb.com..
I'd add that Bruce Lee's son Brandon Lee was killed by fragments used in a prop weapon in a scene for The Crow(1992). The film scene is tough to view because Lee's character gets drilled by about 20 guys with automatic weapons & large caliber revolvers.
Up until about 2000 or so, the use of blanks or "squibs" was more common in films/TV. Dir Michael Mann had the prop dept & armorers use larger flashes for the gunfights in the hit crime drama; Miami Vice. The producers also used many nickel & chrome plated weapons because they showed up better on film.
Today, many Hollywood productions use CGI or VFX(computer images & special effects). It's much safer than having blanks or explosive charges.
Clyde
PS: In the mid 1990s, my good friend was on the film set when actor Joe Peschi was seriously injured by a squib that malfunctioned. He told me the film director & crew thought Peschi was only acting but he was wounded by the blast.
I'd add that Bruce Lee's son Brandon Lee was killed by fragments used in a prop weapon in a scene for The Crow(1992). The film scene is tough to view because Lee's character gets drilled by about 20 guys with automatic weapons & large caliber revolvers.
Up until about 2000 or so, the use of blanks or "squibs" was more common in films/TV. Dir Michael Mann had the prop dept & armorers use larger flashes for the gunfights in the hit crime drama; Miami Vice. The producers also used many nickel & chrome plated weapons because they showed up better on film.
Today, many Hollywood productions use CGI or VFX(computer images & special effects). It's much safer than having blanks or explosive charges.
Clyde
PS: In the mid 1990s, my good friend was on the film set when actor Joe Peschi was seriously injured by a squib that malfunctioned. He told me the film director & crew thought Peschi was only acting but he was wounded by the blast.
I understand they used live ammo in this one. http://www.actofvalor.com/official/
Empty cases at a "crime scene" wouldn't be live ammunition.
If I was a Willys Jeep enthusiast then non-period correct tires in a WWII movie would probably annoy me. As it stands, I'm a firearms enthusiast and blatant mistakes with firearms are distracting. Ammo is an often incorrectly scripted or shot area in film and in television, even when they get the guns right, they often drop the ball on the ammunition.
Double Naught Spy
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Why would you ever assume than in such fictional stories that the only thing fictional in the story is the story line?
And my Willys tire buddy is bothered, but not to the point of calling the folks in Hollywood "idiots."
However, if the folks in Hollywood are idiots for such transgressions, then I guess folks on the forum are also when they misuse proper terminology and incorrectly state information about firearms. Then there are the determined idiots who defend their misuse of terms or information as being valid.
Uncle Billy
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Bruce Willis's character isn't required to get the facts straight, the movie isn't a documentary. It suited the writer to have him say what he did, full of errors and all, because it fit his character.
Shootouts in movies haven't got the requirement of being correct and complete in every detail like a CSI investigation. If someone shoots a 6-shot revolver more than 6 times without reloading that we see, maybe he did it while the camera was on something else, unless of course he pours a hail of lead one shot after another in a stream, and there's more than 6.
Nonetheless there are lots of factual errors that get through the continuity folks, like aiming a flintlock with the frizzen open.
Did anyone notice in "Saving Private Ryan", when Upham was running around the village with belts of machine gun ammunition, that the cartridges had no primers?
Shootouts in movies haven't got the requirement of being correct and complete in every detail like a CSI investigation. If someone shoots a 6-shot revolver more than 6 times without reloading that we see, maybe he did it while the camera was on something else, unless of course he pours a hail of lead one shot after another in a stream, and there's more than 6.
Nonetheless there are lots of factual errors that get through the continuity folks, like aiming a flintlock with the frizzen open.
Did anyone notice in "Saving Private Ryan", when Upham was running around the village with belts of machine gun ammunition, that the cartridges had no primers?
jibberjabber
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yes
ScottRiqui
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Hollywood movies are largely for entertainment, and as a result, they're almost entirely full of crap on just about every subject. It's just that none of us is an expert on *everything*, so we don't notice most of it.
My wife can't watch any movie that's set in ancient Greece or Rome without pulling her hair out. Likewise with me and any movie where the Navy, aviation, computers or the law figure heavily into the plot.
Did you ever see "Double Jeopardy" with Ashley Judd? The *entire premise* of the movie is flawed from the very start - specifically, the idea that since Judd's character has already been convicted of killing her husband (he actually faked his own death), she can now kill him with no fear of going to jail.
Any we're worrying about whether a WWII Jeep has the correct tires on it??
My wife can't watch any movie that's set in ancient Greece or Rome without pulling her hair out. Likewise with me and any movie where the Navy, aviation, computers or the law figure heavily into the plot.
Did you ever see "Double Jeopardy" with Ashley Judd? The *entire premise* of the movie is flawed from the very start - specifically, the idea that since Judd's character has already been convicted of killing her husband (he actually faked his own death), she can now kill him with no fear of going to jail.
Any we're worrying about whether a WWII Jeep has the correct tires on it??
jibberjabber
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that's great
jibberjabber
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You must be able to suspend your disbelief when watching movies.
Uncle Billy
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Sometimes they get it right, like the scene in "Lonesome Dove" I wrote about here a while ago:
In "Lonesome Dove", when Augustus McCrae is being chased across flat, open ground by the bad guys. He's running his horse as hard as he can but not making any ground; he comes to a little ditch or gully where he dismounts, kills his horse and hunkers down behind it, laying his Sharps rifle across the carcass. The others stop and form a line in the open. McCrea thinks for a minute, then shoots a couple of rounds that fall short. This encourages the bad guys that they are out of range, so one of them walks out in front of their line and dances like a chicken making clucking noises, taunting Augustus. McCrea raises the tang sight on the Sharps, adjusts the peep's elevation for what he thinks the range is, and gut-shoots the chicken dancer. He stopped dancing.
In "Lonesome Dove", when Augustus McCrae is being chased across flat, open ground by the bad guys. He's running his horse as hard as he can but not making any ground; he comes to a little ditch or gully where he dismounts, kills his horse and hunkers down behind it, laying his Sharps rifle across the carcass. The others stop and form a line in the open. McCrea thinks for a minute, then shoots a couple of rounds that fall short. This encourages the bad guys that they are out of range, so one of them walks out in front of their line and dances like a chicken making clucking noises, taunting Augustus. McCrea raises the tang sight on the Sharps, adjusts the peep's elevation for what he thinks the range is, and gut-shoots the chicken dancer. He stopped dancing.
I've mentioned this before but sometimes they get the details (or some of them) absolutely perfect. Here are two movies in which the guns were correct. Both these movies were based on historical events and actual people. Just about everything in both movies was a little twisted, historically speaking, but at least they got the firearms right.
One movie was Death Hunt, a perfect vehicle for Charles Bronson and I suspect the name of the movie was because of the series of Death Wish movies he made. The real-life story was about the so-called Mad Trapper of Rat River events from around 1930 up in Canada. The real-life character wounded a Mountie who had gone out to investigate following some complaints about illegal trapping. The mounties came back with a possie and a shoot-out followed. They actually blew up his cabin with dynamite (that was in the movie, too) but he escaped. After a long chase they caught up with him and shot him full of holes. It made sensational news and was followed by radio, a new thing at the time. The real mad trapper had a Savage 99 in .30-30 and that's what was used in the film. I don't think I've seen a Savage 99 in any other movie.
Another was the Grey Fox, who was also an actual historical character. He robbed stagecoaches and later, after serving half his life in prison, he robbed trains. One of his guns was a Colt Bisley and there's a scene in the movie in which he buys one. Both the actual Colt and the Savage 99 are in museums now.
Just because a movie is or isn't historically accurate makes little difference in its entertainment value. Most are fiction anyway. The movie from about six or eight years ago "Troy" was of course based on a story from 2,500 years ago. The movie did not include anything about the gods in the original story because they thought that was unbelievable or something. They can do anything with a story they want to. Then there was the animated Pocahontos!
One movie was Death Hunt, a perfect vehicle for Charles Bronson and I suspect the name of the movie was because of the series of Death Wish movies he made. The real-life story was about the so-called Mad Trapper of Rat River events from around 1930 up in Canada. The real-life character wounded a Mountie who had gone out to investigate following some complaints about illegal trapping. The mounties came back with a possie and a shoot-out followed. They actually blew up his cabin with dynamite (that was in the movie, too) but he escaped. After a long chase they caught up with him and shot him full of holes. It made sensational news and was followed by radio, a new thing at the time. The real mad trapper had a Savage 99 in .30-30 and that's what was used in the film. I don't think I've seen a Savage 99 in any other movie.
Another was the Grey Fox, who was also an actual historical character. He robbed stagecoaches and later, after serving half his life in prison, he robbed trains. One of his guns was a Colt Bisley and there's a scene in the movie in which he buys one. Both the actual Colt and the Savage 99 are in museums now.
Just because a movie is or isn't historically accurate makes little difference in its entertainment value. Most are fiction anyway. The movie from about six or eight years ago "Troy" was of course based on a story from 2,500 years ago. The movie did not include anything about the gods in the original story because they thought that was unbelievable or something. They can do anything with a story they want to. Then there was the animated Pocahontos!
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