Hi-quality ARs sure seem "sold out" a lot!

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bfskinnerpunk

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Looking at the Bravo Company and Daniel Defense web sites, I'm amazed at how "sold out" they are!

Are they really flying off the shelves like that?...or am I looking in the wrong places?

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BF
 
Stock is definitely low, as has been reported on several gun forums. Most think it's due to people receiving their tax refunds.
 
Thanks.

I had thought that the mad rush for tactical type weapons was long passed (along with the shortage of 9mm and .380 rounds).

BF
 
Rock River is good, but it's no BCM.

Demand ebbs and flows, and when people get tax refunds it seems like gun sales take a noticeable tick upwards. I managed to score a BCM upper during the height of the panic buying- just put in your email address for notification when they crank out another batch and don't waste any time when they email you.
 
I'm noticing that Bravo Co. does not sell a 6.8mm

In the end, I'll probably want a 6.8 and 5.56, so I'll start with the 5.56 and then get the upper from, say, Daniel Defense later.
 
Manufacturers went into high gear during post election panic buying but production couldn't keep up with demand. Eventually AR-15 demand died off and there was excess stock and low prices in 2010. Looks like things were evening out but like has been said above tax returns may be a factor now. No doubt things will even out again, after all nobody wants to be in a situation where they don't have product to sell!

Early 2009 was a horrible time to buy an AR and 2010 was a great time. I've noticed prices are up a bit over mid-to-late 2010 but I expect there will be plenty of product available. Seems like more people are warming up to the higher quality brands too, maybe learning from mistakes made with their first AR.
 
ARPerformance and Bison Armory can get you a 6.8SPC.

But, they aren't sitting on their hands, either.
 
I have a RR and a DD, and to be honest, I don't really think that the DD is any better. The upper and lower fit a little tighter on the DD and it looks a little cooler but the trigger and the muzzle brake on the RR is alot better. Both will shoot under an inch at 100 yards with good factory ammo and even better with my handloads. Both are free floated, chrome lined, feed any ammo, and have proven themselves worthy of trusting my life to if needed. Don't make the mistake of letting a few people touting a certain brand influence you too much. I have several friends that are in LE that trust their lives to the "oh so unreliable" bushmaster brand and the so called middle of the pack RR and S&W m&p on a daily basis. Do yourself a favor and get raw info and not just a bunch of opinions (no offence). I don't know where where you live but I know several stores in Ga that have DD, Bravo Co, LMT, Colt, and Spikes Tactical on the shelves as well as RR, Bushmaster, S&W, Armalite, and DPMS. I agree, you would be very pleased with the RR. On the other hand, you would be very pleased with the DD or Bravo Co. Heck, check out Wilson Combat or Les Baer........
 
I have a RR and a DD, and to be honest, I don't really think that the DD is any better. The upper and lower fit a little tighter on the DD and it looks a little cooler but the trigger and the muzzle brake on the RR is alot better. Both will shoot under an inch at 100 yards with good factory ammo and even better with my handloads. Both are free floated, chrome lined, feed any ammo, and have proven themselves worthy of trusting my life to if needed. Don't make the mistake of letting a few people touting a certain brand influence you too much. I have several friends that are in LE that trust their lives to the "oh so unreliable" bushmaster brand and the so called middle of the pack RR and S&W m&p on a daily basis. Do yourself a favor and get raw info and not just a bunch of opinions (no offence). I don't know where where you live but I know several stores in Ga that have DD, Bravo Co, LMT, Colt, and Spikes Tactical on the shelves as well as RR, Bushmaster, S&W, Armalite, and DPMS. I agree, you would be very pleased with the RR. On the other hand, you would be very pleased with the DD or Bravo Co. Heck, check out Wilson Combat or Les Baer........
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Your cop friends are probably driving department issued guns, not their own personal weapons. Most cops don't know as much about guns as most people give them credit for anyway.

Your experience with your Rock River is fine for you, and that's great. However, the Daniel Defense and the BCM are objectively superior weapons because they are made with objectively superior parts, end of story. It isn't about the cliche "fit and finish" it is about quality control, testing individual parts vs. batch testing, and so on. You like your RR, drive on, but don't mistake it for what it isn't, and it isn't a DD or BCM, and it never will be.
 
Most cops don't know as much about guns as most people give them credit for anyway.
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You my friend have made a very true statement. I am a cop, and I at least to think that I know a good bit about guns. With that said, I am very much the exception and not the rule. We are issued DPMS rifles, and honestly, they do what we need them to do but I also know the superiorities of other makers' platforms.

I'd be happy if just a majority of the department would learn how to clean, maintain, and shoot our rifles... But I would forego any discussions on the importance of a staked gas key, etc. with 99% of them!
 
The rifle shoots as good, is just as accurate and just like the DD has never had a malfunction. As stated before I do not mean to offend but the proof is in the puddin'. Granted that DD may do more testing and use more expensive parts but that does not necessarily make them a better product. Road and Track tested a Corvette angainst a Ferrari and the vette was just as good. Is the Ferrari better just because it costs more?
 
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Black Rain Ordnance, a lesser known name, is right up there with DD and BC. They may have some simply due to lesser popularity but there are awesome as well.

DI rifles start at $1,4XX, piston systems start at $1,8XX, on their website. May be able to get cheaper.
 
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Most cops don't know as much about guns as most people give them credit for anyway.
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You my friend have made a very true statement. I am a cop, and I at least to think that I know a good bit about guns. With that said, I am very much the exception and not the rule. We are issued DPMS rifles, and honestly, they do what we need them to do but I also know the superiorities of other makers' platforms.

I'd be happy if just a majority of the department would learn how to clean, maintain, and shoot our rifles... But I would forego any discussions on the importance of a staked gas key, etc. with 99% of them!
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That's sad to hear. I know LEOs have a tough job, long hours, and no doubt there's a lot of training and classes that cut into off hours. But still a craftsman must know his tools and you'd expect an issued firearm would be something to know extremely well, especially when a handgun or rifle is a fairly simple device. It's even more sad to hear of agencies issuing DPMS.


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I have a RR and a DD, and to be honest, I don't really think that the DD is any better...
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My first AR is an ArmaLite build, my second is a Daniel Defense build. The ArmaLite is reliable but looking at the upper and BCG, there's no doubt the DD is better. Also if you're careful, you can bring in a quality build for about the same price as RRA. My DD with iron sights came in at about $850.
 
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I like Kool-Aid too! My favorite is grape! Laying all jokes aside, I know that some things are better than others. My only point was that of my own two rifles, despite all the testing and better components, the end result is that one has been just as good as the other. After all, isn't the quality of any firearm judged on accuracy and reliability? I have a 700p that shoots 1/2 inch groups. Is an AI that shoots 1/2 in groups any more accurate just because I paid more than twice what the 700 costs? Everyone touts Colt, how many search for an 80 series 1911?
 
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I like Kool-Aid too! My favorite is grape! Laying all jokes aside, I know that some things are better than others. My only point was that of my own two rifles, despite all the testing and better components, the end result is that one has been just as good as the other. After all, isn't the quality of any firearm judged on accuracy and reliability? I have a 700p that shoots 1/2 inch groups. Is an AI that shoots 1/2 in groups any more accurate just because I paid more than twice what the 700 costs? Everyone touts Colt, how many search for an 80 series 1911?
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It's not all about accuracy and shooting from the bench. How many rounds have you ran through your AR? Have you run your RRA through a carbine class?

I don't know about you but I want the certainty that rifle will go bang. More testing, better parts, and materials are the only measurable form to try and obtain this.

A quality rifle usually runs the same $$ or perhaps only a small fraction more than a inferior one.This is one of the biggest fallacies used by people trying to validate their purchases among others.

Lastly, I am glad your RRA runs fine but even then it is only a sample of one. As previously mentioned if you want the highest level of assurance possible that your rifle will simply work, buy quality, buy once.
 
Didn't two of the AR companies recently file Chapter 11, or were on the verge?

shooter john:
A deputy in or somewhere near Shelby County (TN) was in Classic Arms (Cordova) about a year ago.
I know very little about ARs, and zero about Sig Sauer .223s.
All he told me was that his dept's Sigs were suffering from sort of failure or other malfunction, therefore they planned to get rid of them.

Can many departments choose any domestic or foreign rifles that fit within their budgets, or must they be .223/5.56 in most cases?

Not far from here is where two West Memphis AR officers died in a totally-unexpected shoot out with two rabidly anti-govt. types (from IN or OH?), who had semi-auto "AK clones".
 
Basically all of the above mentioned makers of AR rifles work just fine and none of the makers use substandard parts. Consider the capital needed to set up the manufacturing plant necessary to the production of these rifles and who would be so stupid once they were operational to intentionally make a substandard product plus no metal refiner (except the Chinese and Asian Indians) make lousy metals with these facts in mind I can only conclude that there is very little difference between the various makers except price.

Also if you do have a part that fails, the good news is that parts are cheap and widely available so who cares if the trigger guard was not rigerously tested and retested to mill specs,I am not fighting in a protracted war in antarctica and besides pistols were made for back up if your rifle breaks down.
 
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