Here's why so many people were killed in the Virginia Tech Shooting!

Some additional insight into this troubled student

"Cho had shown recent signs of violent, aberrant behavior, according to an investigative source, including setting a fire in a dorm room and allegedly stalking some women"
 
There is no easy solution for the evilness of madmen. May God bless the souls of those killed and may he also give strength to the families of those affected by this madness.
 
• Move away from any object, such as scissors or heavy objects that could be used as a weapon.
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Someone with a weapon just might have stopped this... It's insane to preach being passive at all times.
 
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There is a very strong positive correlation between attempted enactment of 'gun control' measures or the election of anti-gun majorities and events such as this one. I absolutely DO NOT believe that there is any cause and effect evident in these correlations but the relationship is undeniable.
 
There is a very strong positive correlation between attempted enactment of 'gun control' measures or the election of anti-gun majorities and events such as this one. I absolutely DO NOT believe that there is any cause and effect evident in these correlations but the relationship is undeniable.
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That's kinda my point. I can't analyze these things, and make any kind of logically supportable cause/effect relationship, but the correlation is certainly obvious.:rolleyes:

I'm most DEFINITELY NOT a conspiracy theorist, yet I find this inexplicable correlation strong enough to be somewhat bewildering.:confused: :confused:

It seems that these things have a habit of happening at exactly the right time to promote the anti-gun cause. I wish that I had the psychic ability to understand this timing.
 
A few years ago some of us on another forum(I forget which now) made a chart, starting around 1960, listing proposed major gun bans, their dates, their early failures to pass, subsequent major shooting events(Kennedy, King, Kennedy, UTexas, the California schoolyard, etc) THOSE dates and when/if the proposed ban later passed. I've since lost track of the chart and the people but I do remember that almost every ban proposal that failed initially was followed by a major shooting incident(usually involving a weapon at issue) which was used to pass said legislation.

OK, I'm sorry, but the only thing I believe in LESS than most conspiracies is random coincidence extending over decades in regards to the same issue. It's just stretching the bounds of credibility too much. But like I said in another thread, I don't know. That fact I can't honestly say it's beyond belief, that I feel honest saying nothing stronger than "I don't know", is enough to be...bothersome...to me.
 
John, thank you so much for organizing these threads in such a way that I could simply copy & paste your initial posts from each thread, lump them in a single email to everyone I know, and forward them along - you've done a valuable service. Suggest that others do likewise (bulk emails to their friends & family - cut & paste post #1 - really simple).
 
Suggest that others do likewise (bulk emails to their friends & family - cut & paste post #1 - really simple).
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I agree!

There's a real potential, given the circumstances, to turn the tables on the antis here. They will try to use this as an opportunity to take away our rights, but rarely is a massacre so clearly a result of the lack of protection from the government on the one hand and the restriction of rights on the other.

People are not going to hear this from the media--it's up to us to inform those we know.
 
Put me down against students carrying in classrooms on the incredible odds that they would someday stop a threat to themselves or anyone else. The odds against it happening must be astronomical. Instead, shootings would increase. Instead of a lunatic on a rampage every ten years, we'd read about accidents or spur of the moment shootings every week. Then we could rest assured gun control would overwhelm us. Bad idea no matter the intent, imo.
 
Put me down against students carrying in classrooms on the incredible odds that they would someday stop a threat to themselves or anyone else. The odds against it happening must be astronomical. Instead, shootings would increase.
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Same basic argument that's been used over and OVER against CCW laws. The dire predictions never come true--instead violent crime (including this type of shootings) typically go down significantly when such laws are passed.

And the odds aren't so astronomical...law-abiding citizens have already used handguns to stop school shootings in at least two situations that I'm aware of.
 
I would reconsider my position if it were an adult college or a military academy. But average 20 year olds? I'd drive out of the way to avoid reading about such a place.
 
I am not aware of any CCW laws that would allow "average 20 year olds" to carry. Most CCW laws explicitly disqualify anyone under 21.

I'm not talking about completely revamping the general concepts of concealed carry, only allowing those who ALREADY have CCW permits to carry onto campus. That would include graduate students, professors, staff, etc.
 
I would not consider it as a "conspiricy" but poor timing planned . The DC court of appeals stands ready to vote on 2nd Ammendment and THIS happens . I won't say it will harm us BUT I will state that it will not help .People do not live in a vacuum in the DC area . ALL the judges now have knowledge of this due to the networks running it ad nausem . In a liberal area courts choose to err on the side of stupidity .
 
Paratrooper, the D.C. Court has already given their decision on the 2A. Perhaps you mean the en banc hearing?

Regardless, it is not clear that the circuit will grant a rehearing. This shooting may or may not galvanize the members of the circuit. They may or may not look at the law as having aided and abetted the massacre by denying the right to self protection. There are many questions and too few answers at the moment.
 
I would reconsider my position if it were an adult college or a military academy. But average 20 year olds? I'd drive out of the way to avoid reading about such a place.
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At any college or university these days, there are always a few 'non-traditional' students in every class. They are typically older, married people who are going back to school after a career in the military or after raising children. Professors, faculty and staff will also be older. The problem is that "No CCW on campus" rules and laws don't exempt anyone from the ban.

As JohnKSa pointed out, I don't know of any place where a 20 year-old can get a CWP. 21 seems to be the minimum age. You are also using the same argument that was tried in FL 15 years ago by the antis. "You can't allow people to carry guns! It'll be like the old-west!" It didn't happen that way in FL (or anywhere else shall-issue is the law) and there's no reason to think it will happen on college campuses.
 
I think it's a good idea to deny people guns in certain locations, for the same reasons sheriffs did it in the old west. If faculty carried guns it would be fine with me but first they'd have to be willing to do it and I doubt one in a hundred would be willling. And even if they did the publicity would scare off their means of support, parents of students, so it would be a self defeating proposition. If I had kids, I'd not want them in a school where staff over 21 could carry. They're just as likey to go nuts as anyone else.The thing that failed those kids were the policies of staff and the campus police who should have been posted in every building.
 
targetshootr - Is there some correlation to people who carry guns LEGALLY and violence? Do you think someone who carries a gun is more apt to go insane?

The last time I checked crazy people have used knives (Japan - 7 or 8 kids stabbed to death), bombs (US school bombed in the 20's or 30's more kids killed than in VT), and other impliments.

There is no logical link to LEGAL CC and an increase in violence. In fact it decreases crime.

What puzzles me is certain people automatically equate guns with violence. My whole goal as a CC holder is to prevent violence. Everyday that I carry and I do not ever draw my gun is a victory - Why? Because if I need it - its there.

Whenever good guys are denied this option - the bad guys who DO NOT FOLLOW LAWS do it anyway. So why legislate against the good guys?
 
In a confined area like a campus I think it would increase the likelyhood of a shooting which is why I wouldn't want to see anyone other than campus cops carrying. And my other point is that it would be a self defeating proposition for the college. So altogether more downsides than upsides when you consider the incredibly small number of campus shootings. It's not like they're an epidemic. But when one of those same kids ventures into certain parts of town, they should be required to have a firearm.
 
I also have a carry permit and the one time I wish I'd had a weapon I didn't. I stopped keeping one in my truck because I thought it would create more problems than it would solve. So I was face to face with a psychopath and had to rule out reaching for a weapon and had to use the hemorroid on my neck instead. And by doing so, one person is alive and well and the other never had to answer to the cops. So I can attest that a weapon is not always the best thing to have around.
 
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