Gunslinger
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Gunslinger
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Gunslinger
Here's the post that puts me on the FBI's list.
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Glamdring,
Washington, DC, 1968.
Due to riots, looting, and burning, a curfew was slapped on our nation’s
capital. The National Guard blocked off “all” the streets. No vehicles or
pedestrians were permitted.
Two other dummies and I did not leave the city immediately after school (at
14th & K St.). Instead we walked to a bar for “one drink”. Riigghht. It was
dark when we got my car from the parking garage to drive back to Ft Myers,
South Post (between the Pentagon and Arlington Cemetery, just across the Potomac, in Virginia).
The National Guard was “supplementing” law enforcement. Anyone found on
the streets was arrested and (apparently) held for magistration days later.
All “non-authorized vehicles” were impounded. (These days they would be
“confiscated” and sold.)
It was unanimous - we decided not to be arrested. We implemented some
urban E&E (Evade and Escape) to avoid and outrun the National Guard. (Yes,
both!) We were successful because they had problems I strongly suspect
they have remedied by now:
1) They didn’t know the city. They blocked off major arteries at places
where you could get past the blockades by using an alley or two.
2) The police and National Guard could not communicate with each other.
Therefore, if you got past a blockade, the National Guard had no way to have
the police set up a roadblock down the road (in front of you).
3) The National Guard had blockades, but not enough people at each
blockade to capture and hold those whom they arrested (or detained, or
whatever “lawyer-talk” they used).
4) They had no helicopters (black or otherwise!
)
5) They didn't have enough people to do the job correctly.
6) Using a deuce-and-a-half, they couldn’t catch a 130-mph Plymouth.
God looks after fools and drunks so He was looking at the three of us a total
of six times. We made it home.
PS. We were crazy but not stupid! The *next* day, we did our drinking in
Arlington, VA, where there WAS no curfew!
[This message has been edited by Dennis (edited June 25, 2000).]
Washington, DC, 1968.
Due to riots, looting, and burning, a curfew was slapped on our nation’s
capital. The National Guard blocked off “all” the streets. No vehicles or
pedestrians were permitted.
Two other dummies and I did not leave the city immediately after school (at
14th & K St.). Instead we walked to a bar for “one drink”. Riigghht. It was
dark when we got my car from the parking garage to drive back to Ft Myers,
South Post (between the Pentagon and Arlington Cemetery, just across the Potomac, in Virginia).
The National Guard was “supplementing” law enforcement. Anyone found on
the streets was arrested and (apparently) held for magistration days later.
All “non-authorized vehicles” were impounded. (These days they would be
“confiscated” and sold.)
It was unanimous - we decided not to be arrested. We implemented some
urban E&E (Evade and Escape) to avoid and outrun the National Guard. (Yes,
both!) We were successful because they had problems I strongly suspect
they have remedied by now:
1) They didn’t know the city. They blocked off major arteries at places
where you could get past the blockades by using an alley or two.
2) The police and National Guard could not communicate with each other.
Therefore, if you got past a blockade, the National Guard had no way to have
the police set up a roadblock down the road (in front of you).
3) The National Guard had blockades, but not enough people at each
blockade to capture and hold those whom they arrested (or detained, or
whatever “lawyer-talk” they used).
4) They had no helicopters (black or otherwise!
)5) They didn't have enough people to do the job correctly.
6) Using a deuce-and-a-half, they couldn’t catch a 130-mph Plymouth.
God looks after fools and drunks so He was looking at the three of us a total
of six times. We made it home.
PS. We were crazy but not stupid! The *next* day, we did our drinking in
Arlington, VA, where there WAS no curfew!
[This message has been edited by Dennis (edited June 25, 2000).]
I really don't care if they riot during the Democratic National convention, this would
be a good thing for our cause.
The feds would implement martial law
and send in the Military, this would have a detrimental effect on the Demos (socialist/marxist) cause.
They would be considered the bad guys, and
it would be an optimum time to pass info on
about being patriotic.
And just like everywhere else in this great nation of ours, there are former and ex-military who would rise up and fight
at the drop of a hat. (Someone needs to drop a hat!)
There is not one nation who has got the ba**s
to come here and fight us, they would get
an A** kicking they would never forget, and they would be telling their grandchildren about. And the moral to their stories would be to never piss off! an American in his backyard.
Waterdog
be a good thing for our cause.
The feds would implement martial law
and send in the Military, this would have a detrimental effect on the Demos (socialist/marxist) cause.
They would be considered the bad guys, and
it would be an optimum time to pass info on
about being patriotic.
And just like everywhere else in this great nation of ours, there are former and ex-military who would rise up and fight
at the drop of a hat. (Someone needs to drop a hat!)
There is not one nation who has got the ba**s
to come here and fight us, they would get
an A** kicking they would never forget, and they would be telling their grandchildren about. And the moral to their stories would be to never piss off! an American in his backyard.
Waterdog
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dennis:
Glamdring,
Washington, DC, 1968.
Due to riots, looting, and burning, a curfew was slapped on our nation’s
capital. The National Guard blocked off “all” the streets. No vehicles or
pedestrians were permitted.
The National Guard was “supplementing” law enforcement. It was unanimous - we decided not to be arrested. We implemented some
urban E&E (Evade and Escape) to avoid and outrun the National Guard. (Yes,
both!) We were successful because they had problems I strongly suspect
they have remedied by now[/quote]
Dennis: From the research I have done on the LA riot in connection with the Rodney King BS I would say they haven't fixed most of those problems. When different agencies start working together chain of command and communications goes out the window. There is no clear picture of what anyone is supposed to do.
Might also note that internally in the US the cities are probably a bigger death trap for conventional forces than the boonies. Remember where the germans were stopped in russia?
WESHOOT2: As to the comment about not voting and not counting that is inaccurate and misleading. When you cast a vote in any federal election you have very little impact you are one of many. If you talk to people or get your thoughts & ideas published or broadcast you DO affect many people. In my experiance once you go above a state legislator you vote is meaningless. A state or local elected offical will almost always MAKE time to listen to you. I don't vote anymore because of my disgust with the system, but I have been active in sharing views, political and otherwise with people. And I have met and talked face to face with a couple of Federal Senators from my state. Had a real interesting conversation with one former Senator at a B&N bookstore. Among other things he pointed out many of the mistakes George Bush [Sr.] made in one of his books, concerning legislation.
Gunslinger: I think they are trying to get us to forget it already. Justifiable Cause today used in a rather strange fashion now IMHO.
Sorry my Libertarian stripes are showing.
[This message has been edited by Glamdring (edited June 25, 2000).]
Glamdring,
Washington, DC, 1968.
Due to riots, looting, and burning, a curfew was slapped on our nation’s
capital. The National Guard blocked off “all” the streets. No vehicles or
pedestrians were permitted.
The National Guard was “supplementing” law enforcement. It was unanimous - we decided not to be arrested. We implemented some
urban E&E (Evade and Escape) to avoid and outrun the National Guard. (Yes,
both!) We were successful because they had problems I strongly suspect
they have remedied by now[/quote]
Dennis: From the research I have done on the LA riot in connection with the Rodney King BS I would say they haven't fixed most of those problems. When different agencies start working together chain of command and communications goes out the window. There is no clear picture of what anyone is supposed to do.
Might also note that internally in the US the cities are probably a bigger death trap for conventional forces than the boonies. Remember where the germans were stopped in russia?
WESHOOT2: As to the comment about not voting and not counting that is inaccurate and misleading. When you cast a vote in any federal election you have very little impact you are one of many. If you talk to people or get your thoughts & ideas published or broadcast you DO affect many people. In my experiance once you go above a state legislator you vote is meaningless. A state or local elected offical will almost always MAKE time to listen to you. I don't vote anymore because of my disgust with the system, but I have been active in sharing views, political and otherwise with people. And I have met and talked face to face with a couple of Federal Senators from my state. Had a real interesting conversation with one former Senator at a B&N bookstore. Among other things he pointed out many of the mistakes George Bush [Sr.] made in one of his books, concerning legislation.
Gunslinger: I think they are trying to get us to forget it already. Justifiable Cause today used in a rather strange fashion now IMHO.
Sorry my Libertarian stripes are showing.
[This message has been edited by Glamdring (edited June 25, 2000).]
There is no legal way under the US constitution that UN 'Peace Keepers" could legally be deployed on US soil. The President could not legally request them, Congress could not legally approve them. No amount of spin and hype can make them lawfully appointed American lw enforcement officers. the moment they set foot oh US soil they become "whom so evers' and should be dealt with accordingly.
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"I swear to defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemeis domestic or foreign WHOMSOEVER."
Sorry, not voting is not acceptable.
You can try to influence the electorate all you can, and I say good, but those who think like you do and don't vote would add up to a sizeable number if they did actually vote.
Slick was elected by a plurality both times, never a majority, among those who even voted at all (and this was only a fraction of the electorate). The electoral college be damned, if all the disaffected voted, it would drastically alter the shape of politics.
I will also posit a few more thoughts.
The democrats rely, traditionally, on groups that turn out in low numbers. Republicans are outnumbered by registered democrats, thus the best weapon we have is a high turnout to maximize our vote.
I'm a Libertarian in sentiment also, but I know upon which side my bread is buttered and vote the party that most closely approximates my views.
Next, you play into the politicians hands by not voting. I'm sure many are counting on making the good citizens fed up and voluntarily depriving themselves of what limited means they have in their self-determination.
Last, you are a poor model for your kids and the future generations who will be even more brainwashed into thinking they don't count and not participate (demographics show young voters... don't).
Would you not defend yourself or your home because, as the media often does, you've been told you won't be able to? I doubt it. Same goes for your vote.
You can try to influence the electorate all you can, and I say good, but those who think like you do and don't vote would add up to a sizeable number if they did actually vote.
Slick was elected by a plurality both times, never a majority, among those who even voted at all (and this was only a fraction of the electorate). The electoral college be damned, if all the disaffected voted, it would drastically alter the shape of politics.
I will also posit a few more thoughts.
The democrats rely, traditionally, on groups that turn out in low numbers. Republicans are outnumbered by registered democrats, thus the best weapon we have is a high turnout to maximize our vote.
I'm a Libertarian in sentiment also, but I know upon which side my bread is buttered and vote the party that most closely approximates my views.
Next, you play into the politicians hands by not voting. I'm sure many are counting on making the good citizens fed up and voluntarily depriving themselves of what limited means they have in their self-determination.
Last, you are a poor model for your kids and the future generations who will be even more brainwashed into thinking they don't count and not participate (demographics show young voters... don't).
Would you not defend yourself or your home because, as the media often does, you've been told you won't be able to? I doubt it. Same goes for your vote.
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