Wow, Let's try this: Let's Say
I'm Hubbard legally walking in the park with a gun on my shoulder and a gun on my hip. Suddenly I hear a voice behind me say, "sir, you with the gun on your shoulder and on your hip drop the guns and get on the ground, NOW", "get on the ground now"
Usually there's a few expletives added so I know the officer means business. I stop walking put my hands up, I do not turn around or move in any way I respond by saying "why sir? I didn't do anything" THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE I'm not saying this happen to Hubbard
Now at this point nothing illegal was said or done. The Officer had to investigate a reported incident and he could have told that but he didn't and the article made no mention of it. The officer is required to tell me why he stopped me. I don't know how it went with Hubbard but I bet I'm closer than you think. Now as a law abiding citizen I have every right to question that officer as to why I'm being detained. I'm protected by the 4th amendment against illegal stops, searches and seizures. The officer is required to tell me why he stopped, if he doesn't it is an illegal stop and the officer should know that. I can also choose to not say anything. Maybe we'll find out what happen after the lawyers sit down and talk.
Ok, Now after I exercise my rights, I get pepper balled
Glen, Where in the article did it say Hubbard was holding a gun? He was legally carrying the guns. There are hundreds of videos of people legally open carrying guns and being stopped by Police officers because of complaints of a man with a gun and Some of the people open carrying were plain nasty to the Officer but no one got shot or peppered balled. I might be wrong but on each occasion when the officer was asked why they sopped them the officer told them. So I have to ask What was different this time. There's more to this story, than what was published in the article and I choose not to be naive and blame Hubbard for exercising his 2nd Amendment rights. I do believe Don Spencer, president of the Oklahoma Second Amendment Association when he says in the article "the Broken Arrow Police Department has completely overreacted to a peaceful act.” And you should believe Mr Spencer also since I'm sure you're a 2nd amendment supporter, Right Mr Glenn?
JohnKSa, The article said he was walking in the park. Nobody, not me or anyone else said he was walking in the park and that's why he got pepper balled. Quit making stuff up. I don't know what happen in Hubbards case and neither do you but you sure sound like you know.
Kind of like how you took some of my words out of context. Why didn't you quote all of it? I don't know what was said or not said so the conclusion I'll jump to
is that the Police overreacted just like Don Spencer, president of the Oklahoma Second Amendment Association said they did. I'd say that pretty much sums your position up. It does sum it up John, when you put the entire quote in print.
The focus should be on what Hubbard accomplished. What he accomplished was not what he wanted to accomplish unless bad publicity for the 2nd was his goal
Are you kidding me man. I read a lot of your post. You've always gave me the impression that you were smarter than that.
THE MAN'S 2ND AMENDMENT RIGHTS and maybe his 4th and 5th amendment rights WERE VIOLATED AND THEY ILLEGALLY CONFISCATED HIS GUNS. He's allowed to open carry his guns, but because some silly little snowflake had a little pissy fit and I'm sure Hubbard was no angel either now he's a felon and you know what JohnKSA; you, me, and Glenn are 1 step closer to having our guns confiscated. We all need to start exercising our 1st, 2nd, 4th, and the 5th amendment Right. If you want to quote something quote that.
The article said: Hubbard’s refusal to comply with officers and answer questions in their initial investigation led to the complaint of obstruction, Koch said. It’s unclear whether Hubbard entirely ignored officers or talked to them during the encounter, Koch said.
Ever hear of the 4th and 5th Amendments
1. If You're Stopped On the Street
The right to remain silent -- your most popular Fifth Amendment-based Miranda right against self-incrimination -- isn't required to be read or spoken to you until you are in police custody and are being questioned.
In Terry v. Ohio, the U.S. Supreme Court decided that police could make brief investigatory stops without probable cause and without violating the Fourth Amendment, assuming they have specific and articulable facts to justify the stop.
The little snowflake said Hubbard pointed the gun at her then she recanted that statement, not exactly specific and articulate facts.
When stopped by the police on the street, you can always refuse to answer any of their questions, and you may ask if you are being detained. If officers respond that you are not being detained, you may stop conversation altogether and walk away -- though running away in a "high risk neighborhood" can potentially give officers reasonable suspicion to detain you.
Broken Arrow police are defending the arrest of a Second Amendment activist in the face of accusations that officers overreacted and violated the man’s rights.
Another thing I saw on a video search was Hubbard was taking a video of the incident with his cell phone and the Police confiscated his cell phone. see it here
http://www.newson6.com/story/40288350/second-amendment-activist-arrested-in-broken-arrow-park
Richard Hubbard is not an idiot, He's a hero just like our founding fathers who stood up to those who tried to suppress them and tried to take their guns away. Anybody who is willing to defend our constitutional rights should be considered a hero. If we don't support them, then we need to ask ourselves "who is the real idiot, them or us"