Help me pick an interesting carry gun

I particularly hate recoil and snappy guns since I have small Hands and have Trouble of Holding it right.
An carry gun for me is an mouse gun. So, in an small package I would not eve think of Shooting an 9mm Luger.
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For some insight here... my 380 LCP is acutely less pleasant to shoot than my PM9.
The PM9 is very soft-shooting for its size, even on defense ammo.
 
I would avoid the Kimber Solo like a Tai hooker. Mine had nothing but problems out of the box (parts breakage, malfs galore). Went back to Kimber three times for service. The third time seemed to fix everything, but by then I was fed up and sold it. My Springfield EMP had to go back once, but they sorted the problem out right away.


How about the Chiappa Rhino 20DS revolver in 9x19? They list for under a grand.

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What are the sizes between PM9 and LCP380? What are the weigth differences?

Neigther of them is a real mouse gun. Both are carry guns. Not even real concealment carry guns. The size of both is relatively big compared to the Seecamp.
 
ammo.crafter said:
Have you looked at the Walther PPQ M2?
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I was going to suggest that too since it has the SWEETEST out-of-the-box trigger I've ever pulled...but I figured it didn't really meet the "small" prerequisite in the OP's post. At least, not compared to the P938
 
What are the sizes between PM9 and LCP380? What are the weigth differences?

Neigther of them is a real mouse gun. Both are carry guns. Not even real concealment carry guns. The size of both is relatively big compared to the Seecamp.
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I have both a LCP, and a CM9 (PM9 without the expensive, and unnecessary frills for almost 1/2 the price).
The LCP is certainly a "mouse gun". Small enough to be easily hidden in any clothing. The Kahr CM9 is not a mouse gun by comparison. It conceals fairly well in some pockets. But not in all. On paper, the roughly 1/4" additional length, and 1/2" height don't seem significant. But it is more noticable in real life. Also, the extra 6 oz. of weight is very noticable yo me.
That's why the Kahr gets more service in cooler weather, with heavier clothing, carried IWB in a Hybrid style IWB holster. But regardless of the weather, the LCP is always in my pocket.
 
I assume the OP asks for the gun as concealment carry (disguise the gun) instead of open carry.

Were I am living it is almost allways 95 degrees Farenheit or more and open carry is not allowed.

The only way to conceal carry an weapon is disguised in an cell phone Holster. Like in front the cell phone and in the back pocket the gun. So the gun has to be at most the size of an fairly large Smartphone.
My phone is about 5 oz of weight and the Beretta Pico is about 12 oz unloaded and without the spare Magazine included in the cellphone Holster. Gun with Magazine + spare Magazine + cellphone will give already an Kind of saggy weight of about 20 oz.
If it's to heavy the spare mag is left home and instead I will stuff 7 lose rounds in the Holster compartment. In an Extended gun fight maybe 7 lose rounds could make an difference (in an shoot, run and hide Scenario). In this Scenario I could load the mag from hide/cover or load it while running (I hope this idea is not to crazy loading it while running).
 
It is not that difficult to get an concealed carry permit here. But they need your complete data like you have to have property. Your tax number they want as well. So that means if you screw up with your license they lock your whole civil life up (no business anymore).
 
I can't imagine having to use a cell phone holder as a holster. Gotta do what you gotta do I guess.

Ive been using Vedder holsters for my guns lately, they work great and don't cost too much. Not pretty but work great. Keeps the gun snug and against your body so really a T-Shirt can hide it with barely a bulge for my PM9 or 938

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That Rhino looks cool but it looks HUGE too. Do people carry Rhinos? I do like the Walther but it was a big for me. Thanks for the great suggestions.
 
On amazon.com look up disguised cellphone holster. You will find all sorts of cellphone holsters (first pocket visible to public the phone and zipped behind the compartment for the gun).
Over here we do not wear t shirts oit of the pants. Inside belt holsters are for the climate to uncomfortable.
 
fwiw.. the LCP and Seecamp/NAA 380's weigh about the same, the LCP might even be a bit lighter. Both of the metal guns are wider.
For me, width and weight matter more than a 1/2 inch in any direction.

I still have a serious itch for a nicely made poly 25acp, a modern, true mouse gun.
1/2" thick, same overall size as a Seecamp, made like a LCP... perfect summer gun.
 
I've been considering the MK9 Elite because I already have a lot of PM9 magazines. Custom grips are hard to find though..
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I've always liked the all-metal Kahr's too, they feel really nice, much better in every way once worn-in a bit than the poly versions.
They even shoot better, but they're lead brick heavy, never anything I'd lug around all day, and they dont come cheap either.
The larger ones are nice for the range, but they don't really have a range trigger for my taste.

I like the Kahr trigger (gun type in general) for carry, 1911's (SA's w/safety) for the range and cheaper Glocks around the house and center console.
 
QUOTE: "...I can't imagine having to use a cell phone holder as a holster..."

I use one on occasion to carry a Ruger LCP and like it. It's a holster made to look like a cell phone holder and is comfortable to carry a pistol and disguises its purpose well.
 
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