HELP! Can a 40 lover sell off their last 40 to buy a 9?

Nathan

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:DHere is a topic to get us going on Friday morning.... I love 40 s&w...but I love 45 Auto more. I sold off most of my 40's to convert to 45's. That was fine, but I kept my Kahr P40.

Recently I bought an XDS 9. It is really just to appease my wife and kids.;)

My struggle is I'm wanting a CZ 75 B SA.:o I could try to have both, but frankly, I don't ccw the 40 at all after buying my CCO.

My real question is can I sell a 40 to buy a 9 and still bash the 9mm round while singing the praises of the 40? I worry that is too hypocritical!:eek:

I had better carry my 40 today just to see if this makes any sense!
 
9, .40, .45 debates are just debates. If you get wrapped up in them for enjoyment, great.

I was a big proponent of .40s many years ago, but things change, I still have a few, but I almost never use them. The main thing keeping the .40 popular is USPSA Limited and those who enjoy caliber debates. :D
 
That's my issue. I honestly believe the 40 is the best of the 3, but I like 45 in a larger ccw or hd gun because of it's bigger bullet and I shoot it well.

I like 40 in more normal sized handguns for ccw.



BUT, there are some great 9mm only guns out there that should not be overlooked, hence my debate! My XDS is one of those....well they make a 45 too....
 
Keep at least one 40 incase we have another ammo crisis, due to executive orders messing things up. I prefer the 45, and also have 9mm, 38 special, 44 magnum. Here in my area during the past lack of ammo, we could always find some 40, because the leo folks are carrying them.
 
Take a comparable 9mm, .40S&W and .45ACP hog hunting. After shooting at least a dozen with each, I found there was so little difference that the caliber becomes a non issue. Sights, trigger, ergonomics, accuracy, speed are all factors to consider.
 
I traded off an HK USP40 (which I liked a lot) and a Gen4 Glock 22 (my Gen4 G-21 is just so much better), to get an HK45 and I'm grateful I made that deal. IMHO .45ACP just beats .40S&W all day every day. But I still have my P226 in .40S&W, that one is a keeper. I wouldn't hesitate to trade that Kahr .40 for a CZ 75B SA in 9mm, which is harder to find than a DA/SA 75B, and is one of the best 9mm range guns, period. It's very easy to get a good used .40S&W autopistol if you decide later you still want one
 
I believe the 45 ACP is the most over-rated, over-hyped round made. If you forget the myth and legend and look only at the facts 9mm and 45 ACP are a dead tie with comparable ammo. They always have been, this isn't just because of recent developments in ammo. Recent developments in ammo have made all of the rounds better.

The 10mm is the only semi-auto round that is a significant improvement over either. The 40 S&W is slightly better than 9mm or 45, but maybe not enough to justify the added recoil, cost, and reduced capacity over 9mm. I certainly understand it's popularity, especially among those who need or want heavier bullets.

FWIW, I trust 9mm to work and usually carry that caliber. I own some 45's simply because I like the guns and they happen to be chambered in 45. I've had 40's in the past, but If I need more power than 9mm, I go straight to 10mm.

This is my hiking, camping, woods gun. About the same size as the G-23 I traded for it, but it'll shoot 200 gr bullets at about 1200-1250 fps. About the same speed my 9mm shoots 124 gr bullets.

 
Well, my other option is to put my 357 snubbie up for sale that has seen no range time after I bought the 40.....hmmm. I hate to give up my first ccw....

Decisions, decisions....my real issue is giving up my last 40 and still promoting 40!

Or I could go with the P09 in 40, but I hear the SA trigger is not near as good. Both guns are a hard find locally, so would be a net order.

Last, it would be nice to eliminate 40 handloading to cut a caliber, but...
 
I believe the 45 ACP is the most over-rated, over-hyped round made. If you forget the myth and legend and look only at the facts 9mm and 45 ACP are a dead tie with comparable ammo. They always have been, this isn't just because of recent developments in ammo. Recent developments in ammo have made all of the rounds better.

The 10mm is the only semi-auto round that is a significant improvement over either. The 40 S&W is slightly better than 9mm or 45, but maybe not enough to justify the added recoil, cost, and reduced capacity over 9mm. I certainly understand it's popularity, especially among those who need or want heavier bullets.

FWIW, I trust 9mm to work and usually carry that caliber. I own some 45's simply because I like the guns and they happen to be chambered in 45. I've had 40's in the past, but If I need more power than 9mm, I go straight to 10mm.


Amen Brother. .45 is a fine round, but it is no better than 9mm or 40 cal, especially considering the lost capacity.
 
It doesn't matter what round you carry concealed from the lowly .22lr to .50AE if you can't hit what you are shooting at. Stopping power is a myth. Some people fall over and some fight on with what are supposed to have been fatal wounds.

What makes the perfect self defense round? The one where you can consistently hit what you are shooting at. Consecutive hits with a .22lr will in fact be better than multiple misses with anything else. NO, I am not recommending that we all carry .22lr for self defense, but if that is what you can put 6 to 10 rounds into an attacker with, maybe it isn't the worst choice either.

By the way, just to add to the controversy....45acp is KING!! LOL
 
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The 10mm is the only semi-auto round that is a significant improvement over either. The 40 S&W is slightly better than 9mm or 45, but maybe not enough to justify the added recoil, cost, and reduced capacity over 9mm. I certainly understand it's popularity, especially among those who need or want heavier bullets.

FWIW, I trust 9mm to work and usually carry that caliber. I own some 45's simply because I like the guns and they happen to be chambered in 45. I've had 40's in the past, but If I need more power than 9mm, I go straight to 10mm.

This is my hiking, camping, woods gun. About the same size as the G-23 I traded for it, but it'll shoot 200 gr bullets at about 1200-1250 fps. About the same speed my 9mm shoots 124 gr bullets.

All things being equal, 10mm is an excellent caliber, however that G29 is not the gun to claim ballistic superiority for the caliber.

I'm fairly certain there is no "safe" way that you are launching a 200gr 10mm bullet through the 3.77" barrel of your G29 at 1200-1250 fps. Hornady's lighter 10mm 155 grain XTP factory round chromos through a 5" test barrel at 1265 fps muzzle velocity and 1119 fps terminal velocity at 50 yds. The 9mm 124gr.+P XTP load that I carry chromos 1175 fps at the muzzle and 1074 fps 50yd terminal velocity, based on a 4.00" test barrel. Your argument for ballistic superiority for 10mm improves with a G20, G40, P220, or a 1911.
 
My real question is can I sell a 40 to buy a 9 and still bash the 9mm round while singing the praises of the 40? I worry that is too hypocritical!

I had better carry my 40 today just to see if this makes any sense!

On the Interwebz, no one knows what you really carry.
 
I used to be a "caliber war" kind of guy... but that was back before internet forums. I was a Jeff Cooper disciple and I only even purchased my first ever 9mm handgun because it was mere weeks to the falling hammer of the Crime Bill and hi-cap magazine bans. Back in 1994, I had no hopes or dreams of ever carrying a handgun concealed because I wasn't in LE or driving a Brinks truck and back then where I lived (and earlier, where I grew up) a "regular guy" never had a chance at a carry license.

But I could HATE on 9mm as well as anyone! :p When concealed carry did become possible, I clung tightly to my roots, or at least HALFWAY to my roots and I chose a caliber that I had always dreamed of carrying. And in October 2008, I began carrying a Glock 29/10mm much like the one pictured above. And unlike so many enthusiasts (and other folks around these forums) I never saw any need or desire to drift from my one carry gun. I still carry the same handgun today, but admitting *GULP* now that it's days as my EDC are numbered and I just this week purchased it's successor, and that pistol is a 9mm handgun.

Totally agree with the above post that I own .45's simply because I love the gun and it happened to be chambered in .45. I own a truckload of 9mm for the same exact reason. I don't own many .40cal pistols -- most likely due to my 10mm roots, and "most" hardcore, long time, genuine old school 10mm guys kind of LOATHE the .40cal.

But I can tell you that when I am doing the kind of shooting I do most (steel plates at 10-15 yards) I have no doubt whatsoever that the .40cal pounds the plates harder and drops them with more authority than the 9mm does. On some plates where a 9mm in the wrong spot won't throw a plate every time, the .40cal does. That does not translate to a "BETTER" defensive round, but I can absolutely see and feel the difference when I shoot it.

I can't speak for others, but one (of many...) things that pops up often on gun forums that I personally find completely ludicrous is this idea that someone must "break ties" with a whole caliber or chambering. Like, somehow, if they own a handful of 9's and a pile of .45's but they have -ONE- .40cal pistol sitting in a rack in the safe, the .40 is going to go rogue and begin chewing the grips off the other guns, tearing in to the wall of the safe, creating a .40-caliber fungus that will slowly destroy the other guns from the inside out and create this horrendous tragedy uncovered by the light of day until the safe gets opened to see the carnage.

What the HECK is that nonsense?!:confused:
Put the pistol in the safe on a low rack that you don't pull from as often. Let it rest, let it sit, maybe pull it back out in a year and see if the mere sight of it angers you and THEN get rid of it if it does. It doesn't eat, it doesn't start fights, it doesn't suck all the prime oxygen away from the other needy guns in there and you don't have to buy or make ammo for it either.
 
:DHere is a topic to get us going on Friday morning.... I love 40 s&w...but I love 45 Auto more. I sold off most of my 40's to convert to 45's. That was fine, but I kept my Kahr P40.



Recently I bought an XDS 9. It is really just to appease my wife and kids.;)



My struggle is I'm wanting a CZ 75 B SA.:o I could try to have both, but frankly, I don't ccw the 40 at all after buying my CCO.



My real question is can I sell a 40 to buy a 9 and still bash the 9mm round while singing the praises of the 40? I worry that is too hypocritical!:eek:



I had better carry my 40 today just to see if this makes any sense!


I sold my G23 for a G20 it's awesome.
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I'm not a 40 S&W fan by any means.

The only reason I keep my S&W 4006 is because it's a fine piece of machinery, it eats every type of ammo imaginable and I think it's kind of retro cool. I also keep it just in case I can't find 9mm.
 
Oh, this one is easy.

Get a CZ 75b in 40. Call David at CGW and have him send SAO parts for conversion.:cool:

Did this with my 97b, fairly straightforward.
 
can I sell a 40 to buy a 9 and still bash the 9mm round while singing the praises of the 40? I worry that is too hypocritical!

Awwwww, IMhO your fine.

I've never heard a Glock or Taurus joke/put down I didn't like yet I'd buy either one if the price was right.

And as to selling one of your guns to buy another....Cheapshooter to the Semi-auto Forum...Cheapshooter....
 
Hornady's lighter 10mm 155 grain XTP factory round chromos through a 5" test barrel at 1265 fps muzzle velocity and 1119 fps terminal velocity at 50 yds. The 9mm 124gr.+P XTP load that I carry chromos 1175 fps at the muzzle and 1074 fps 50yd terminal velocity, based on a 4.00" test barrel. Your argument for ballistic superiority for 10mm improves with a G20, G40, P220, or a 1911.

I guess I have a 40sw that thinks it's a 10mm when loaded with Underwood 40sw 155 XTP. :p

1300 fps
582 fpe

And my 9mm loaded with Underwood 9mm 124+P XTP

1225 fps
413 fpe
 
.. to buy a 9?

Everyone knows that a 9mm is barely enough to kill a fly that is in restraints, providing that you get a perfect head shot.
 
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Seriously. A CZ is one of the few that would be worth ditching an entire caliber for. Others would be CZ clones or a Browning Hi-power.
 
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