Held Up At Gunpoint Tonight...

a cell phone and some credit cards are not worth ending someone’s life over. You don’t shoot someone to punish them for their bad deeds, you shoot them because if you don’t you will likely die. I think it is a great mistake to kill someone over material items.
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Bravo. Well put.
 
You don’t shoot someone to punish them for their bad deeds
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If someone points a gun at me demanding money, their bad deed isn't robbing me: it's the pointing of a gun at me.

you shoot them because if you don’t you will likely die
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What is the biggest rule of thumb when using a firearm? NEVER point the weapon at something you don't intend to destroy. Everyone here keeps telling our poster "it's a good thing you didn't have your gun," or the other one I liked, "they're kids."

Two kids with firearms trained on you are a HUGE THREAT to your life. I don't care if they're high school aged or not. The minute they believe they're mature enough to rob men in alley ways, they're mature enough to be held accountable for their actions.

We have no idea what is going to happen after we comply. How many stories have we read where the store owner opens the safe for the BG and gets shot anyway? If you're willing to just "go with the flow" and hope you don't get shot in the end, that's your gamble. I won't take that chance.

Apologies for the rant. The important thing here is that our friend on this forum is ok. Thanks for sharing your experience Beach Accord. I use stories like this as mental training. Glad to see your safe in the end.
 
They told me to lay face down in the dirt
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That is where my compliance would end...if I would have complied any in the first place. Another poster mentioned that BG's are killing their victim's more often now. I think he is right.

The important thing is that you are alright and that you raised your threat level awareness. Like you, my awareness level is lower close to home because I know everyone around these parts and don't expect that...of course that is when you will get it.

I have a question for you though...was there ever an opportunity for you to push off and run? Don't get me wrong, I wish you could have terminated these douchebags...but wondered if a sudden shove off and run like hell would have been an option for you? Personally, I would consider this before I complied (if I wasn't armed) since I do think that more people are getting killed in these scenarios...even when they comply.

Anyone else ever practice that tactic?
 
glad that you are OK:

I know that this is a platitude but it bears repeating, and I've tried to turn this into a mantra: "Situational Awareness is the first step of survival, especially when you are carrying"

And it is quite easy to slip into "air in the clouds" mode..I fight this all the time.
 
If he had said "You're Irish, and you just left a bar, so I assume you were a little...."
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That's not inference, that's evidence.

:eek:

BWHAHAHAHA!

No, but really, friend, I'm very, very glad you're all right. It was the best of all the bad possible outcomes, short of you standing over two smoking bodies.
 
a cell phone and some credit cards are not worth ending someone’s life over. You don’t shoot someone to punish them for their bad deeds, you shoot them because if you don’t you will likely die. I think it is a great mistake to kill someone over material items.
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They were armed and they accosted him, this has nothing to do with material posessions. If the OP had the opportunity and had shot them both, it would've been not only justified, but also a huge gift to the rest of society.
 
Anybody who gets into a shooting after having just come from a bar is probably going to really regret even going out that night.
It might all work out in the end, but it will most likely end up costing you a fortune.
If it doesn't work out, you don't even want to think about what will happen.

Just something to think about when you are making those decisions that determine your fate.
 
take it to them

Most young thigs in the states these days are not expecting you to take the fight to them. They depending on you to be afraid and fold. I once was mugged by to me in San Pedro Sula Hondures while returning to my hotel late one night, they were carrying knives and assumed me for a tourist, not expecting me to beat the daylights out of them which i did.

take some weapon disarming classes(as well as weapon retention)

carry your gun next time and rembember all the people whoget mugged and shot afterwords.

God Bless and good luck
 
Well stinks as it does, your obviously alive and only out a handful of replaceable plastic. I don't think it wouldn't have mattered if you had an MP5, M60, and 5 pistols on you. The the bad guys got the drop on you and had a revolver already aimed at you, there's no you could have outdrew them and fired. Unless of course you had special mall ninja training :-)

Your fine, smile, its good to be alive. Don't sweat it and enjoy the sunrise. Your once-in-a-lifetime threatening ordeal is over.
 
Not to split hairs but...
And no, i was not even slightly impaired, only had time for 1 beer at the bar...
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Numourous studies have proven that yes, even after even only one drink, you were at least slightly impaired. That is one of the reasons why it is illegal to carry in a bar.
 
Do you think you have a fast enough draw to draw and get a least one shot off and BOTH guys before either one of then can pull the trigger? If not then a gun would probably have not helped.
 
That is one of the reasons why it is illegal to carry in a bar.
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It is not, and never has been illegal to carry in a bar in New Hampshire, and that fact saved the life of a bouncer a few weeks ago.

Don't be a patsy for the gun banners.
 
Real life

Glad your OK. You know the situation now. Let Leo's have the first try. Kids with guns go down fast. You don't have to be a victim the second time, however. Some self defense classes, and more range time for you.
 
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