Held Up At Gunpoint Tonight...

No, it sounds like a logical inference.

If he had said "You're Irish, and you just left a bar, so I assume you were a little...."

That would be stereotypical.
 
yeah, thats a tough one. im not sure what you would have done if you had a gun. if they are on top of you and drawn its a crap shoot.
would you have been in a bar with a gun?
ive had a gun put to my head. nothing happened, but i sent him to jail by remembering his plate#.
that seems like the best outcome.
the kid it turns out is an adopted son of one of my friends now. still a bit of a punk, but wiser for the jail time i hope. i also hope i never see him. im also glad i did not kill him.
i carry concealed now.
i know the possible consequences of that and accept them.
 
By your own admission you said they came up behind you on a dark street with their guns drawn and caught you off guard. What good would have a concealed gun done you? Your situational awareness was way down and why did you park on a dark street?
 
carry your gun and shoot them. The wrong criminal will shoot you anyways. Just walking through any dark alley always watch your 6 and have a avenue of escape. But your alive so as stated cancel your cards and make a bourbon
 
a cell phone and some credit cards are not worth ending someone’s life over. You don’t shoot someone to punish them for their bad deeds, you shoot them because if you don’t you will likely die. I think it is a great mistake to kill someone over material items
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You're right, I would not kill them for taking my wallet and cell phone... I would kill them because they were pointing guns at me.
 
Yeah, i realize that having a gun would have done me no good... more than likely it would have been detrimental to my situation. My awareness levels are usually top notch, but on this particular night, I had so much on my mind, i was basically staring at the ground while walking. And I did not park on a dark street, i was merely walking home as i reside blocks away from the bar. And no, i was not even slightly impaired, only had time for 1 beer at the bar...

There was noone to blame but myself in this situation. If anything, it has heightened my security senses...

Opened a safe deposit box today to secure all I could...

Be safe out there guys...

-chris
 
Scary situation, glad you are physically ok. Did you have your CWP in your wallet? Spare house key? I hope they are done with you completely...
Uuuuuuumm, IIRC Florida Law prohibits concealed carry while drinking or in a bar for very obvious reasons.

We had LEO's teaching our CWP class and they specifically said that even sitting at a table in the "bar area" of a restaurant like Applebee's or Chili's was against the law. You can sit and eat in the restaurant portion, but you had better not be caught in the "bar" and/or drinking while you concealed carry.
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Actually FL CC law does not mention alcohol consumption at all. Whether you are drinking or not, you cannot carry in a bar or the portion of a restaurant that is primarily for serving alcohol (at the bar of Chili's, Alehouse, etc). Unless your physical location prohibits it, you can legally be drinking and carrying, although it might not be the best idea.
 
Hate to say it, but now they would your wallet, cell phone, and gun.

Thank the Lord you are alive, pray the BG's get what they deserve, and move on.

You put yourself in a position to be at risk, and, got away with it.
Remember not to do it again...

God Bless you, which he already has...

Dr. S

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The worst is when you put yourself at risk, and, legally you can't do anything about it, or illegally. Going to happen to me in about a 1/2 hour, and, the only thing I can carry is Pepper Spray.
 
How long has Jeff Cooper been dead, and has everyone forgotten condition yellow, condition red, etc.,etc? Outside in a dark alley at midnight is yellow for me regardless if it is a "nice" area. But I am not out that late anyway! Part of getting old?
 
Armed robbery is grounds for use of deadly force, NOT to allow you to shoot someone to retain property but because it is absolutely abhorrent to any sort of civilization to allow a criminal to bargain with you for your OWN LIFE.

You're not shooting someone over your wallet and credit cards, you're defending your LIFE against a person who says that AT BEST it's only worth what you have in your pockets.

As far as giving up, sometimes that's all you can do, but statistics show that in general, resisting violent crime through the use of a firearm offers your BEST chance for escaping unharmed. Not even complying with your attacker offers a better chance for avoiding injury. The main point is that one should NEVER assume that complying with a violent criminal will ensure their well-being. I've said more than once that relying on the mercy and compassion of violent criminals is a very poor strategy.

The one night i was not carrying...
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That's what makes me carry any time I can.
 
Beach Accord, glad you are OK. I look at situations like this as a warning or lesson, and even a blessing. God took care of you and you learned not to do that again! It was a bit costly but not overly so. Kind of like a kid getting a spanking :D You can take heart that it was not much much worse! AND, you get a chance to teach others through your experience!
 
Mike Irwin said:
One good thing to keep at home in a safe place is photocopies of EVERYTHING in your wallet -- front and back.

That way you have a list of everything you have to replace, the numbers of credit cards, expiration dates, and the phone numbers you need to call to cancel them.
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<slaps forehead>

Great idea, Mike. I'll be doing that tomorrow evening after work.
 
Well, the point is that guns are not magic wands. Sometimes they work and sometimes they don't. The BGs were good enough at it to sneak up on you and to have numbers on their side. Had you had a gun on you, you might have been able to counter a lower level threat than that, but two guys with guns pointed at you is not something against which you should draw.


Perhaps situational awareness could have prevented the encounter, but once they had the drop on you, it was over unless you wanted to be some kind of hero.
 
Uuuuuuumm, IIRC Florida Law prohibits concealed carry while drinking or in a bar for very obvious reasons.
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New Hampshire has never prohibited carry in bars, has had concealed carry licensing for some 70-80 years, and yet people still think that banning self-defense tools from bars somehow makes sense.
 
They walked up behind me in a dark street as i was walking to my car

These days, you have to be thinking tactically 24/7 and put yourself in as safe and advantageous position as possible. Always keep your head on a swivel and body in rotation to get the best posible lead on suspected threats.

Now a days you have to consider podunk USA like Fallujia, Iraq.
 
Mvpel, the lack of bans against carrying in bars saved a doorman's life at a Manchester club a couple months ago. Someone got thrown out, came back and started shooting at the doorman and into the bar, thankfully missing. A CCWer in the bar came out, got the BG twice, BG fled, pursued by an angry crowd.
 
let me pose this scenario

what if a fellow concealed weapons carrier came upon this scene in that alley:
two guys with guns drawn on another guy. is he justified in firing on them, or must he tip his hand by declaring himself?
if you were that guy, what would you do?
 
The clock is running on these guys. They may not know it yet but if they keep doing what they're doing,

1. They'll be killed
2. They'll go to jail

At least they didn't get your gun because you didn't have it.
 
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