None of you have been paying attention. This situation obviously calls for an educational speech to the BG's about how serious it is to carry a concealed weapon without a permit. They should also be reminded that shooting without ear protection can result in permanent hearing loss and make life in prison a living hell. It might not be a bad idea to ID the gun and remind them that they may be holding a banned gun and should look into purchasing a new magazine.
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Held at gunpoint, what to do?
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Slowpoke_Rodrigo
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There is a James Bond line about women 'hanging on your gun arm,' or words to that effect, that applies here.
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Alex Johnson
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Hi Jim,
I don’t plan on writing to many of these gunplay scenarios, since my pursuits as a college student keep me pretty busy. Still, they seem to get some response and give the readers something to think about. Maybe someday, somebody here will find themselves in an unfortunate situation such as this. I do hope that doesn’t happen, as the people I have met on the TFL seem like decent people and I wouldn’t want to think of them in harms way. But just maybe the posts that they read here, will open their minds to a few of the different possibilities.
As for my spelling, if you are referring to Kel-Tec, I’m sorry if I forgot to capitalize the “t”, that was a gross, inexcusable error, on my part. Hopefully you can find it in your heart to forgive me. As for my spelling of the word “damm”, while, damn, you caught me again. If you notice any other horrible errors, please, feel free to let me know about them. I’m sure my folks, both of whom are English professors, would be 100% supportive of your efforts. Well, I must be off, the library beckons me.
Alex Johnson
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"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."-Second Amendment to the Constitution
I don’t plan on writing to many of these gunplay scenarios, since my pursuits as a college student keep me pretty busy. Still, they seem to get some response and give the readers something to think about. Maybe someday, somebody here will find themselves in an unfortunate situation such as this. I do hope that doesn’t happen, as the people I have met on the TFL seem like decent people and I wouldn’t want to think of them in harms way. But just maybe the posts that they read here, will open their minds to a few of the different possibilities.
As for my spelling, if you are referring to Kel-Tec, I’m sorry if I forgot to capitalize the “t”, that was a gross, inexcusable error, on my part. Hopefully you can find it in your heart to forgive me. As for my spelling of the word “damm”, while, damn, you caught me again. If you notice any other horrible errors, please, feel free to let me know about them. I’m sure my folks, both of whom are English professors, would be 100% supportive of your efforts. Well, I must be off, the library beckons me.
Alex Johnson
NRA Life Member
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"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."-Second Amendment to the Constitution
MountainGun44
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Draw your weapon, grab Carla from behind, hold your gun to her head and scream at the BGs, "Don't move or the bitch gets a bullet in her head!"
Thug 2: "Dude, I think he's serious."
Thug 1: "Naw man, he won't do it."
Thug 2: "He's gonna kill her, man. Let's get out of here."
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Very calmly say, "OK, here is my wallet and her purse..." (drop them to the ground in front of you)" You can have them. Just please let us go." (Start backing away while pulling Carla along with you and using her to shield you from their view as you draw your weapon.)
Thug 2: "Dude, I think he's serious."
Thug 1: "Naw man, he won't do it."
Thug 2: "He's gonna kill her, man. Let's get out of here."
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Very calmly say, "OK, here is my wallet and her purse..." (drop them to the ground in front of you)" You can have them. Just please let us go." (Start backing away while pulling Carla along with you and using her to shield you from their view as you draw your weapon.)
Remember, the law in most states says that if you, as the victim of such a crime, has the ability and opportunity to escape, you have a LEGAL obligation to do so, instead of using deadly force.
Tom
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A "Miss" is the ultimate overpenetration!
You can never be too rich, too skinny, or too well armed!
Tom
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A "Miss" is the ultimate overpenetration!
You can never be too rich, too skinny, or too well armed!
Steve Smith
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Banzai and others...the way I see the scenario, you're at very close range (5 feet) and at that range, with a gun pointed at you, there is no possibility of escape. Turn to run and you get shot. Also, when a gun is being pointed at you (at least in this state) then it's no longer just a property crime...you are being assulted with a deadly weapon.
How's about tellin' the BGs that you're a DEA officer on a bust/stakeout and if they don't want to get into REAL trouble they best move on. If they're dumb enough to hang around for proof......that's when you give'em what the need. Carla in the meantime has moved slightly out of the way. Might be hard to pull off, but hey it's an option.
Lavan's educational speech sounds good too! I'm sure it's just what the anti-gun folks are expecting to deter gun violence.
Actually, hand them the wallet and purse first sounds like the best advise. If they have other intentions, the purse and wallet should distract them enough to make your move.
Unfortunately, this day and age they'll probably shoot before they ask. Pre-planning not to get into that situation is the best defense.
Lavan's educational speech sounds good too! I'm sure it's just what the anti-gun folks are expecting to deter gun violence.
Actually, hand them the wallet and purse first sounds like the best advise. If they have other intentions, the purse and wallet should distract them enough to make your move.
Unfortunately, this day and age they'll probably shoot before they ask. Pre-planning not to get into that situation is the best defense.
I agree with the idea that if there's going to be shooting, it's best to be the one to initiate the contact. However, the goal of this particular scenario isn't to shoot the bad guys, it's to get yourself and Carla back to the Ponderosa without any damage. Drawing your .32 here situation is a bad idea because now there HAS to be shooting.
Your best bet is to stay very calm and try to take control of the situation. The bad guys don't want to kill you--they want your cash so they can score another fix. They've already sold everything they own, so now the only way to get money to support their habit is to rob decent folks (who are dumb enough to be in the bad part of town at midnight). If they wanted to shoot you, they wouldn't bother asking for your wallet, they'd shoot you and take it--along with your watch and your stylin' new oxfords.
If you get twitchy, they're going to get nervous, and someone is going to bleed--most likely you. It's pretty tough to protect Carla (I know she can be a pain in the ass sometimes, taking so damn long to eat, but you still don't want anything bad to happen to her) when you're suffering from massive trauma. And unless Carla eats nails for breakfast, chances are, she's not going to run even if you tell her to. She's going to stand there, scared to death, and not move a muscle.
Keep your .32 in your pocket, toss the wallet, and hope everything turns out ok. You'll know soon enough if you're going to have to draw (if they don't scram, it's a big hint). Live to fight another day. If you DO end up having to shoot them, make sure you get your wallet back.
Your best bet is to stay very calm and try to take control of the situation. The bad guys don't want to kill you--they want your cash so they can score another fix. They've already sold everything they own, so now the only way to get money to support their habit is to rob decent folks (who are dumb enough to be in the bad part of town at midnight). If they wanted to shoot you, they wouldn't bother asking for your wallet, they'd shoot you and take it--along with your watch and your stylin' new oxfords.
If you get twitchy, they're going to get nervous, and someone is going to bleed--most likely you. It's pretty tough to protect Carla (I know she can be a pain in the ass sometimes, taking so damn long to eat, but you still don't want anything bad to happen to her) when you're suffering from massive trauma. And unless Carla eats nails for breakfast, chances are, she's not going to run even if you tell her to. She's going to stand there, scared to death, and not move a muscle.
Keep your .32 in your pocket, toss the wallet, and hope everything turns out ok. You'll know soon enough if you're going to have to draw (if they don't scram, it's a big hint). Live to fight another day. If you DO end up having to shoot them, make sure you get your wallet back.
I'm a total coward.
I drop my wallet and cut the purse from her arm if I have to, drop it while beating a hasty retreat, she takes the point, and I'm tail end charlie if things go bad.
Now if these two malcontents come into my house things are going to be a little different, still, I swallow my pride and give 'em what they want . . . this time.
Tom
I drop my wallet and cut the purse from her arm if I have to, drop it while beating a hasty retreat, she takes the point, and I'm tail end charlie if things go bad.
Now if these two malcontents come into my house things are going to be a little different, still, I swallow my pride and give 'em what they want . . . this time.
Tom
riddleofsteel
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Well, if it was my husband out with MISS Carla, I would stand behind the man with the gun and yell, "SHOOT SHOOT SHOOT!!!!!!!"
from the wife of riddleofsteel.
from the wife of riddleofsteel.
riddleofsteel
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AAHEMM
I HAVE SEEN THIS WORK. IF YOU ARE SURE THEY HAVE THE DROP ON YOU, GRAB YOUR HEAD AND SCREAM AS IF YOU ARE FREAKING OUT. FALL TO THE GROUD OR START BOBBING BACK AND FORTH ALL THE WHILE MAKING THE MOST HIDEOUS NOISES. FAKE A SIEZURE OR A HEART ATTACK AND FALL TO THE GOUND OR STAGGER TOWARD A CAR OR SOME SUPPORT. REMEMBER THAT THE BG REALLY DOES NOT WANT TO KILL YOU OR MAKE A LOT OF NOISE. THE LOUDER YOU SCREAM OR MOAN THE MORE ATTENTION IS DIVERTED. WATCH HIS RESPONSE OUT OF THE CORNER OF YOUR EYE AS YOU ACT IT UP. TRY TO CHANGE YOUR POSISTION TO LINE UP THE TWO BG'S UNTIL A WELL PLACED DOUBLE TAP CAN TAKE THEM BOTH OUT. WHEN THEY ARE SUFFICENTLY DISTRACTED MOVE INTO FETAL POSISTION OR BEND OVER AND GRAB YOUR RIB CAGE. SCREAM AND AS YOU STRAIGHTEN UP DRAW AND FIRE AS QUICK AS YOU CAN. WITH A LITTLE PRACTICE THIS CAN GIVE YOU THE EDGE TO TAKE OUT ONE OR EVEN BOTH BG'S BUT GENERALLY THE SITUATION IS FUBAR. DON'T YOU WISH YOU WOULD HAVE PAID ATTENTION TO WHERE YOU WERE PARKING AND LEFT AT A RESPECTABLE HOUR? ALSO A GUN IN A POCKET HOLSTER IN THE BACK POCKET IS A NATURAL DRAW WHEN YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO BE DRAWING A WALLET.
once i was robbed at gun point by a rather unexperienced young man. he demanded my keys and my wallet. i threw my keys on the hood of my car and as he turned to reach for them i moved behind him. i drew a S&W centennial .38 Special from my back pocket and stuck it behind his ear. i grabbed his gun arm by the wrist with my free hand. as he responded by trying to turn i shifted my weight against him and pinned him to the hood of the car. at my command he dropped his gun on the hood and i assisted him to the ground. a bystander saw the entire thing and he called the cops. after an enternity of waiting they arrived. by then i had retrived his gun and he had jumped up and took off like a deer. i was sitting on my car thinking about getting some new underware. i knew better than back shoot him as he ran away but dern it was tough not to. besides he had made me ruin a perfectly good set of drawers.
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Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what is for lunch.
Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the outcome of the vote.
Let he that hath no sword sell his garment and buy one. Luke 22-36
They all hold swords, being expert in war: every man hath his sword upon his thigh because of fear in the night. Song of Solomon 3-8
The man that can keep his head and aims carefully when the situation has gone bad and lead is flying usually wins the fight.
I HAVE SEEN THIS WORK. IF YOU ARE SURE THEY HAVE THE DROP ON YOU, GRAB YOUR HEAD AND SCREAM AS IF YOU ARE FREAKING OUT. FALL TO THE GROUD OR START BOBBING BACK AND FORTH ALL THE WHILE MAKING THE MOST HIDEOUS NOISES. FAKE A SIEZURE OR A HEART ATTACK AND FALL TO THE GOUND OR STAGGER TOWARD A CAR OR SOME SUPPORT. REMEMBER THAT THE BG REALLY DOES NOT WANT TO KILL YOU OR MAKE A LOT OF NOISE. THE LOUDER YOU SCREAM OR MOAN THE MORE ATTENTION IS DIVERTED. WATCH HIS RESPONSE OUT OF THE CORNER OF YOUR EYE AS YOU ACT IT UP. TRY TO CHANGE YOUR POSISTION TO LINE UP THE TWO BG'S UNTIL A WELL PLACED DOUBLE TAP CAN TAKE THEM BOTH OUT. WHEN THEY ARE SUFFICENTLY DISTRACTED MOVE INTO FETAL POSISTION OR BEND OVER AND GRAB YOUR RIB CAGE. SCREAM AND AS YOU STRAIGHTEN UP DRAW AND FIRE AS QUICK AS YOU CAN. WITH A LITTLE PRACTICE THIS CAN GIVE YOU THE EDGE TO TAKE OUT ONE OR EVEN BOTH BG'S BUT GENERALLY THE SITUATION IS FUBAR. DON'T YOU WISH YOU WOULD HAVE PAID ATTENTION TO WHERE YOU WERE PARKING AND LEFT AT A RESPECTABLE HOUR? ALSO A GUN IN A POCKET HOLSTER IN THE BACK POCKET IS A NATURAL DRAW WHEN YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO BE DRAWING A WALLET.
once i was robbed at gun point by a rather unexperienced young man. he demanded my keys and my wallet. i threw my keys on the hood of my car and as he turned to reach for them i moved behind him. i drew a S&W centennial .38 Special from my back pocket and stuck it behind his ear. i grabbed his gun arm by the wrist with my free hand. as he responded by trying to turn i shifted my weight against him and pinned him to the hood of the car. at my command he dropped his gun on the hood and i assisted him to the ground. a bystander saw the entire thing and he called the cops. after an enternity of waiting they arrived. by then i had retrived his gun and he had jumped up and took off like a deer. i was sitting on my car thinking about getting some new underware. i knew better than back shoot him as he ran away but dern it was tough not to. besides he had made me ruin a perfectly good set of drawers.
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Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what is for lunch.
Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the outcome of the vote.
Let he that hath no sword sell his garment and buy one. Luke 22-36
They all hold swords, being expert in war: every man hath his sword upon his thigh because of fear in the night. Song of Solomon 3-8
The man that can keep his head and aims carefully when the situation has gone bad and lead is flying usually wins the fight.
Glenn E. Meyer
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1. Tell them Carla is Janet Reno's brother.
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2. My favorite - throw the dough and run for it.
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3. Just draw and shoot. Don't dither or
yak with them. Do it.
As far as shooting against a drawn gun,
I've seen it done in training.
But running is best.
Experiences:
Mugged once at knife point - handed the dough
and as it passed ran.
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2. My favorite - throw the dough and run for it.
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3. Just draw and shoot. Don't dither or
yak with them. Do it.
As far as shooting against a drawn gun,
I've seen it done in training.
But running is best.
Experiences:
Mugged once at knife point - handed the dough
and as it passed ran.
i think we oughta remember that once these BGs get the money, they ain't just gonna go away, they're gonna wanna rape carla. so, to me, its either
A-start talkin to em, tellin em you'll give em what they want, while you put carla behind you, throw down your money and money clip, and draw your gun and start firing
or
B-disarm the first bad guy
either way, i'd be prepared to take at least one round from the bad guy, but i think i'd disarm him, then take control of the situation
that's my gut instinct anyway
A-start talkin to em, tellin em you'll give em what they want, while you put carla behind you, throw down your money and money clip, and draw your gun and start firing
or
B-disarm the first bad guy
either way, i'd be prepared to take at least one round from the bad guy, but i think i'd disarm him, then take control of the situation
that's my gut instinct anyway
My reply was so long, I decided to make into a seperate web-page to save space on TFL, click on the link to check it out. It not too long, I just wanted to save space on this thread for more to join in the conversation.
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Know Yourself, Know Your Weapon, Know Your Enemy; then Know Victory! ---DaHaMac
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Know Yourself, Know Your Weapon, Know Your Enemy; then Know Victory! ---DaHaMac
DaHaMac
Excellent post!
There are people who still say run for it. Just remember, you're only a few feet away. If you try to run with your dress shoes and Carla with her high heels, you're a statistic.
Those thugs have ABSOLUTELY nothing to lose. You don't think they will do whatever it takes to make themselves happy? If you do not think you're gonna die and try to negociate with them, you're a possible statistic.
I always wear IWB small of the back. I practice enough to draw very well with a full size 1911, not a little Kel-Tec. Drawing from IWB small of back is very similiar to reaching for your wallet.
It's dark, I throw Carla's purse at em while acting to reach for the wallet. Draw, fire.
Excellent post!
There are people who still say run for it. Just remember, you're only a few feet away. If you try to run with your dress shoes and Carla with her high heels, you're a statistic.
Those thugs have ABSOLUTELY nothing to lose. You don't think they will do whatever it takes to make themselves happy? If you do not think you're gonna die and try to negociate with them, you're a possible statistic.
I always wear IWB small of the back. I practice enough to draw very well with a full size 1911, not a little Kel-Tec. Drawing from IWB small of back is very similiar to reaching for your wallet.
It's dark, I throw Carla's purse at em while acting to reach for the wallet. Draw, fire.
bad_dad_brad
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Well, it depends doesn't it. First I usually carry a "fooler" wallet. A couple of 20's and a credit card with a low limit plus a little bit of wallet paraphenalia to look legit. Been doing that for years. If the bad guy likes that then end of incident. Don't let you machismo get the best of you.
On the other hand if you sense he is going to leave no witness, then get close, make sure Carla moves behind, divert, and go for the shot. Diversions are numerous. The feigned fit, the nervous look to the side, the sudden shift to one side or the other. If you really think it is kill or be killed then you have no choice.
Most gun brandishing by the mugger is just that and you will be money ahead by recognizing brandishing from intent. Give him the fooler wallet, but if you think he is going to get stupid, shoot to kill and don't stop with one round.
On the other hand if you sense he is going to leave no witness, then get close, make sure Carla moves behind, divert, and go for the shot. Diversions are numerous. The feigned fit, the nervous look to the side, the sudden shift to one side or the other. If you really think it is kill or be killed then you have no choice.
Most gun brandishing by the mugger is just that and you will be money ahead by recognizing brandishing from intent. Give him the fooler wallet, but if you think he is going to get stupid, shoot to kill and don't stop with one round.
Glenn E. Meyer
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You have great confidence in BG shooting.
You are a few ft. away. In 1.5 sec. you are
21 ft away and still moving. They have
a cheap gun. That is a hard shot.
You are doing the reverse Tueller - keep motoring, dude. Scream all the way.
Someone said talk - well, the research on
armed robbers says that if you don't comply that brings on violence.
So run or shoot. Wrestling is not cool with two guys.
You are a few ft. away. In 1.5 sec. you are
21 ft away and still moving. They have
a cheap gun. That is a hard shot.
You are doing the reverse Tueller - keep motoring, dude. Scream all the way.
Someone said talk - well, the research on
armed robbers says that if you don't comply that brings on violence.
So run or shoot. Wrestling is not cool with two guys.
A "fooler" wallet when well dressed can get you killed. You said they looked like they were on drugs. I would offer them a job. I would say I was a major supplier of what ever drug I thought they were on and just lost two of my boys. Since they had the nerve to pull an armed robbery and were good enough to get the drop on me I want them to work for me! If they let their guard down at anytime I would shoot them.I would offer the money in the wallet/purse as a bonus for their good work in getting the drop on me. Their desire for drugs can cloud whatever judgement they have left.In any case I would never gamble my(our) life that they would not kill me(us) after they got the money. I would also not let two drugged out individuals get the drop on me in a bad neighborhood no matter how pretty Carla is. Nothing less than a 38 in a good area and a 40/45 anywhere else.
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