Has anyone contacted Glock on erratic ejection ?

[AK103K]

Settling on one or two brands of ammo might get you though the day at the range, but It does not fix the problem.

So youre going to blame Glock for you using ammo that may be the issue?

Inconsistent ammo most certainly will cause the problem you describe. If it bothers you, and you dont reload, or buy good lots you know work by the case, then at least buy the brands that work by the box.

I get similar results with pretty much everything I shoot, if Im constantly mixing up the ammo, or, in the case of autoloading handguns, using reloads that have been heavily cycled through the queue.

My autoloading rifles, and SMG's, have always had a tendency to put brass in different places and at different distances, based on what it was I was shooting out of them. I see similar results with my handguns as well.

One thing I discovered after being told by the internet that I needed a new extractor for one of my Glcoks was, it wasnt the extractor, but my well worn, and worn out brass that was the issue.

I replaced the extractor, and the problem continued. Then I noticed that when I was shooting new, factory brass, the problem went away (mostly Winchester +P+ and Federal +P+ with some Winchester NATO mixed in).

Switch back to my reloads, and depending where I was in the queue, it was either good, or not so good, with the oldest lots being the latter. Once I was becoming convinced that it was my brass, and not the extractor, I put the "old" extractor back in, and tried it again. Guess what? Ran fine with new factory brass, and not so good with the worn out lots of reloads. Its still in the gun now as I type, and has had tens of thousands of round through it since.

For me, it seems that the rims become torn up from constant use, and the extractor has to deal with out of spec brass.

The plus side to all this is, I get to practice all sorts of unplanned and random failure drills while I practice.


One other thing to consider here too is, how you grip the gun. If youre inconsistent in doing so, it can also have a similar effect.

 

[puppyface]

The standard velocity ammo ( 230gr. ball) seems to be worst than the faster hollow points I tried. So, in part, ammo is a factor. But....In my own past experience with Glocks, they always worked out of the box with all types of ammo. That for me was the main attraction for buying them. So yes I am going to blame Glock for the ammo I use. I remember guys having to spend a lot of time and money getting the RIGHT factory load for their 1911's. I want a gun that runs ball ammo, 230 gr. period. My Springer Loaded with eat ANYTHING even steel case but I don't like to carry all day and feel like I have an anchor on my belt.

 

[AK103K]

Well, as was noted, Glock seems to think if the empties are being extracted, and clearing the gun, the gun is working, and it is. Not saying its not annoying though.

If the ammo youre using, isnt consistent, then youre E&E is likely not going to be either. Thats just what it is.

This really isnt just a Glock problem either, although you do seem to hear about it a lot more on the internet.

If you reload, I think you could prove this theory pretty easily to yourself. Load up a 100 or so rounds using new brass, and randomly load them up and down the scale in the data table. Shoot them and see what happens.

Load another 100 at the proper power level, and see what happens.

I have a feeling, youre going to find the full power loads are more consistent.

Hopefully, they arent the ones consistently in your face.

 

[puppyface]

I run factory exclusively. Geco seems to work the best. Winchester White Box and the bulk Remington are in the middle. Sellier and Bellot seem to make the problem worst. If the new Glocks run better on faster, lighter ammo, thats cool with me. I am just saying that in the past, the main attraction of carrying Glocks for me, besides the weight, was the reliability with a full range of ammo. If that has changed with the Gen 4's, I going to lose interest.

 

[VoodooMountain]

I run factory exclusively. Geco seems to work the best. Winchester White Box and the bulk Remington are in the middle. Sellier and Bellot seem to make the problem worst. If the new Glocks run better on faster, lighter ammo, thats cool with me. I am just saying that in the past, the main attraction of carrying Glocks for me, besides the weight, was the reliability with a full range of ammo. If that has changed with the Gen 4's, I going to lose interest.

I find that interesting. The issue doesn't seem to be a direct correlation with how hot the ammo is as I've noticed through reloads and factory.

What piques my interest is the fact that S&B is problematic. It's a warmish load, brass case, fmj, but the case rim on S&B is different and is fairly well known to not run reliably in some guns.

To me this points to a geometry issue with the glock. Either in the Extractor, ejector, slide, or a combo therein.

 

[puppyface]

Shooting the Sellier Bellot, feels weaker compared to the Geco. I know that is not a good indication of higher or lower velocity, but it feels like less recoil. I bought a big lot of it and runs perfectly in my other 45's.

 

[camsdaddy]

I have a Gen 4 19 and a Gen 2.5 26. I find they both eject brass in a pile @ about 4:00. I have a Shield on the other hand that throws them like garden sprinkler.

 

[Snyper]

Your right Glock should be all over this if it is a problem.

It extracts.
It ejects.
There is no "problem" with the firearm itself.
Firm up your grip a little and the brass won't hit you in the face any longer.

 

[TunnelRat]

There is no "problem" with the firearm itself.
Firm up your grip a little and the brass won't hit you in the face any longer.

It's not always the shooter. It certainly can be, but not always. Given the OP has other Glocks for which the problem doesn't present itself the idea that it might be the pistol isn't completely out of the realm of possibility.

 

[Snyper]

the idea that it might be the pistol isn't completely out of the realm of possibility.

It's not a "problem" from Glock's standpoint since it's doing exactly what it was designed to do, extract and eject.

Having "another Glock" has little to do with this Glock which is a different size and caliber.

It's easier to experiment with the ergonomics than to wait for Glock to fix a problem that really isn't a design flaw or malfunction.

If one just want's to play with changing parts to stop the brass to the face, I'd start with a stronger recoil spring to slow down the slide and change the trajectory and reduce muzzle flip.

 

[jasmith85]

I have owned three Glocks and two of them had the brass to the face issue. I had a Gen 4 Glock 19 and a Gen 3 Glock 21 that both had the issue although in different ways. The 19 was almost a straight shot from gun to face while the 21 threw the brass high into the air and dropped it on the top of your head. I bought both of those pistols new in 2013 and rather than talk to Glock about it I sold both shortly afterwards. That experience left a bad taste in my mouth with Glock, but I wanted a 10mm so earlier this year I bought a Gen 4 Glock 29 that has not hit me in the face once. It can throw the brass a little erratic but it stays to my right so I'm happy. I had assumed that they had fixed the issue since I had not heard much about it recently and my 29 worked great but maybe I just got lucky.

 

[TunnelRat]

It's not a "problem" from Glock's standpoint since it's doing exactly what it was designed to do, extract and eject.

It's not designed to eject into your face. It's not. Something isn't working properly in that case. Could it be the grip of the shooter? Absolutely. But it could also be something else.

It's easier to experiment with the ergonomics than to wait for Glock to fix a problem that really isn't a design flaw or malfunction.

He certainly can try a different grip. He could have others shoot it as well. And it might show him to be the problem. But it might not. I really don't see what's so hard to accept about that.

If one just want's to play with changing parts to stop the brass to the face, I'd start with a stronger recoil spring to slow down the slide and change the trajectory and reduce muzzle flip.

To me the ejector or extractor would be more likely a culprit of poor ejection than a recoil spring.

 

[Snyper]

To me the ejector or extractor would be more likely a culprit of poor ejection than a recoil spring.

Those two parts are doing what they are supposed to do.

The only "problem" is the trajectory of the ejected brass in relation to the position of the OP's head.

Slowing the slide should change the trajectory.
Simply trying a different load may resolve the issue.

A slight change in shooting position would change whether or not it hits his face.

If Glock were to "repair" the gun, all they could do is replace the two parts that already do what they were meant to do.

But it might not. I really don't see what's so hard to accept about that.

I don't see what's hard to accept about the fact the gun extracts and ejects.

 

[TunnelRat]

Those two parts are doing what they are supposed to do.

The only "problem" is the trajectory of the ejected brass in relation to the position of the OP's head.

To me that second statement indicates the first is not true.

Slowing the slide should change the trajectory.

And an extractor claw that holds the case with the right tension against the breechface or an ejector with a correct angle could also potentially remedy the issue. Either of those could be problems, or they could not.

The degree to which people are willing to give manufacturers a pass to the point where they can't even consider the possibility of a factory defect never ceases to amaze me. Water down the Koolaid a bit.

 

[Dashunde]

Firm up your grip a little and the brass won't hit you in the face any longer.

I think here might be some truth to that.. my gen3 G21 would bounce one off my cap with regularity - it has a big grip, but is also a soft shooter for a 45.. I never really death-grip it like I do with my gen G27 and G35, but if I relax a little on the 35 it will also pitch a few at my noggin.

If for no other reason... holding the muzzle down firmly will alone aim the brass up instead of up and back..

 

[Snyper]

The degree to which people are willing to give manufacturers a pass to the point where they can't even consider the possibility of a factory defect never ceases to amaze me. Water down the Koolaid a bit.

I'm not giving the manufacturer a pass.
Since it's not a problem with every Glock 30, it's not a design problem.

It's not a "factory defect" if the parts are within spec.
It's a anomaly with this particular gun shooting a particular type of ammo.

To the OP, take a look at this.
It may be an answer to your issue:
http://www.glocktalk.com/threads/want-your-ejection-problems-solved-listen-to-dave.1402990/

 

[noonesshowmonkey]

All of this arguing and complaining for a problem that can be solved with either an extractor and/or ejector, which can be had for the combined total of $30.

Get some spare parts for the gun, a punch, and swap those two out.

Problem solved. If swapping those parts don't solve the problem, then you actually have a problem.

All of this nonsense about bad designs and crap is a waste of time.

 

[TunnelRat]

It's not a "factory defect" if the parts are within spec.

Agreed. What I'm saying is the possibility exists that they might not be within spec. I've owned pistols with the occasional QC issue from most of the major manufacturers.

http://www.glocktalk.com/threads/want-your-ejection-problems-solved-listen-to-dave.1402990/

Which is a 50 page thread largely about slightly adjusting the extractor, one of the parts mentioned above. It would seem the OP isn't the only person encountering an issue and that for some folks some parts tweaking turned out to be the solution.

All of this arguing and complaining for a problem that can be solved with either an extractor and/or ejector, which can be had for the combined total of $30.

Get some spare parts for the gun, a punch, and swap those two out.

Problem solved. If swapping those parts don't solve the problem, then you actually have a problem.

+1.

 

[Katsumi Liquer]

I have a 34 Gen. 3. Stupidly accurate and reliable firearm, except that the trajectory of ejected cases seemed to be determined by a random number generator. It would even occassonally do a Walther P1 and throw brass to the left.

A couple of years back, I replaced the factory RSA with a stainless steel guide rod and a 20 lb. flat wire recoil spring. That somehow cured the erratic ejection completely; cases now consistently eject and land in a neat pile at the 4 o'clock position about four feet away. As I handloader, I appreciate this convenience.

Perhaps the reduced slide velocity helped in this regard?

 

[Tactical Jackalope]

I had one of the first batches of Glock 19 Gen 4 pistols. BTF king. Sold it later one and then have had 8-12 more Glocks since then, most of which were Gen 4 and they performed flawlessly.