Gunshop Gurus strike again.....

As for "real men," I have no doubt that real men inhabit Arizona.

Jack O'Connor lived there.

My Uncle lives there (combat surgeon in WW II and Korea).

And CR Sam lives in Arizona.

'nuff said.
 
Mike,

I don't know how you could have so completely misunderstood me but that seems to be one of the hazards of the internet.

I sure as (explative deleated) don't know it all. I am not looking down on anyone, and as for a high horse...man, I'm so busted up I couldn't get up on a low horse.

Yes, the gamer's have taken over IDPA around here. That's why I don't shoot it anymore.

In my mind, and in my experience, there is a world of difference between a 2" J-Frame and any K-Frame, even if the K has a 2.5" barrel. I will stand by my statement that in my experience I have seen very few people who can control a 2" J-Frame in rapid fire against realistic targets and simulated real world conditions. Load that thing with Magnum ammunition and I don't know anyone who can do it.

If you and your friends in Verginia can, more power to you. I don't look down on you, I admire you for doing something I can't do and I've been at this for a little over 30 years.

I already appologized if I offended anyone so I'm not going to beat that dead (and short) horse again.
 
"Give this an honest try. Put up an IPSC silhouette with the 6”X14” A-Zone. Get back about 4 yards and from concealment (the way you carry your gun) and draw and fire two shots in the “A” zone - in under 2 seconds. Then go to the ready position and on a second command, put one more shot in the “A” zone of the head, this time in less than 1.5 seconds. I have met very few people who can do this consistently with a 2” five shot revolver. I have never met anyone who can do it with a 2” five shot loaded with Magnum ammunition"

I can do that with a 454 casull, all double action. What's more, I think my wife could too. Consistently. And she does not shoot much. 5lbs of steel, porting and a 14" sight radius makes it easier, LOL!

See, now you make me want to get snubbie just to see if I can do it. Bad! Bad! :D

Seriously, what about one of the new generation ported lightweight snubbies? I haven't shot one, but I really would liek to try one.
 
While there's no shortage of BS handed out as advice in many gunshops, I don't think that it was the case in the described encounter.

It doesn't really matter what Bob Munden or "tlhelmer" can do with a snubbie at 50 yards. For most users, the short sight radius and overall smallness of the piece will preclude getting good hits at longer ranges. Given that snubbies are typically used as defense pistols, that cited "15 yards" is probably three times the distance within which the pistol would be needed. No one is going to try to attack her from half a football field away.

Whatever advice led her to purchase a "ported" pistol for defensive use is MUCH worse advice than anything the gun shop reportedly told her. A defensive pistol may likely need to be fired from a close-in retention position. The blast, bullet shavings, and unburnt powder that exhaust from the ports can blind or otherwise injure the user. If anyone doubts this, they need to speak with the cop who had to have a piece of jacket metal, that came from his Glock 17C during qualifications, removed from his nose.

As to using .357's in snubbies thus chambered; the issue of controlability is an individual one. However, one should not be tempted to trade multiple-shot controlability for a mostly illusory increase in power. For all its flash and blast, the .357 isn't buying the user much, over the better .38 loads, in a short barrel.

Anyone who can hold and squeeze can shoot any pistol and hit in slow, deliberate shooting. Slow and deliberate shooting, while fun, has little application in self-defense. There, speed and coarse (but adequate) accuracy will keep one alive. The potential stopping power of a round that never gets fired, due to slowness, is only hypothetical.

Rosco
 
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