Guns & Disney.

I'd like some further clarification on a part of that e-mail from RatWorld, specifically:

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Only on-duty law enforcement officers whose agency has jurisdiction at the Walt Disney World Resort may carry any weapon.[/quote]

Now, here in Texas, any Peace Officer has statewide jurisdiction. Furthermore, Peace Officers here are technically never off-duty.

I had assumed that it was pretty much the same through the West and Dixie.

Now, if I read that e-mail right (and I hope that I don't) RatWorld seems to be demanding that current commissioned Florida Peace Officers who aren't currently on-shift disarm themselves.

Morons.
mad.gif
LawDog
 
Per Florida statute, Disney must post some sort of sign where the general public can see it to the effect that no weapons are permitted on the premises. If they do not, then the presumption is that weapons are allowed. To my knowledge the only part of Disney property that is strictly off limits is the Disney University and the sporting stadia.

As to the safety issue, Disney has one of the most efficient and professional private security setups of any park I have ever visited. In addition to the Disney staff, uniformed and plainclothes officers of the Orange County Sheriffs Office are there to provide a law enforcement presence. Just the same, I am responsible for the safety of my family, not Disney. So I carry the burden, literally, of keeping my family safe in a park filled with thousands of people and in acres of often deserted parking lots.
 
Here's the rub on carry in an amusement park. What happens when the "whip cracker special" roller coaster dumps you upside down and your carry plummets earthward toward a group of kids? Do you have that much confidence in your holster to retain your weapon in the face of G-forces it was not designed for?

If it were me, I would simply check it or place it in one of the pay locker located at the entrance.

------------------
Gun Control: The proposition that a woman found dead in an alley, raped and strangled with her own panty hose, is more acceptable than allowing that same woman to defend herself with a firearm.
 
Since child molestation is unofficially sanctioned by WDW, and petty theft is the most common crime, why worry about it? Child victims are to young for a CCW, and you can't shoot a purse snatcher!

I never lost anything @ WDW, AND I DON'T INTEND TO!


Yr. Obt. Svnt.

------------------
Fred J. Drumheller
NRA Life
NRA Golden Eagle
 
I can just see it..Donald Duck packing a
MP5 with Goofy on a leash! I guess I've
seen stranger. I've been to WDW more times
than I care to remember and never carry a
firearm. Now carrying a Benchmade AFCK is
another story! You really have little to
worry about other than the high price of
everything in the park. Go and have fun and
be a kid again. It's good for us adults,
too.

------------------
Never do an enemy a minor injury. Machiavelli
"Stay alive with a 45"
 
Just keep in mind that many of these parks have metal detectors at the entrances, right next to the turnstiles. The ones I've noticed were pretty well covered up by wood trellises and the like, but if you bother to turn around after passing through it, you can see the controls for the detector.

I've never been to Disney, but I have noticed this type of set up at other parks.

As always, YMMV.

Dizzipator
_____________________

Not quite sure what liberty is? Look it up:
http://www.dictionary.com/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=liberty
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Albin:
So you make your choices and takes your pick. BTW: 6 Flags GA is nowhere near as good as the Rat World, I used to live in Winter Park (suburb of Orlando) and went to RW a bunch of times. I only went to 6 flags once and nver again.[/quote]

We're talking Six flags in GA, what were you expecting? :rolleyes:



------------------
God, Guns and Guts made this country a great country!
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jeffelkins:

Fellow Floridians: If No Weapons signs start popping up at businesses please stand up for your rights and ignore them. They have no validity under Florida law.
B][/quote]

I don't see how this is true. Isn't Disney a private business? It can set any rule it wants. However that doesn't mean that I would obey it.
 
KaMaKaZe,

Whaddya mean "We're talking Six Flags in GA, what were you expecting?" You're not slamming my home turf are ya'??? :)

Granted, Six Flags is kind of dimestore compared to WDW (I've been to both this year).

Jack
 
EricM, Here's pretty much the bottom line with Guns, Disney & "No Guns" signs in Florida ...

Disney's official position is "No Guns Allowed". The signs do not have any legal standing in Florida but if you are discovered to be in possession of a firearm, you will be asked to leave. If you refuse to do so, you will be charged with armed criminal trespass which will result in heavy fines and maybe even jail time. Additionally, with a gun-related arrest, your license to carry will be revoked.

For a hot & heavy discussion about carrying a gun where there are "NO GUNS ALLOWED" signs, check out the following trend http://www.thefiringline.com:8080/forums/showthread.php?threadid=28300.

[This message has been edited by FUD (edited August 04, 2000).]
 
I don't recall seeing any "no guns" signs at DisneyWorld. Has anyone ACTUALLY seen such signs openly and clearly displayed? If anyone goes there soon and sees on, PLEASE take a picture and post it on TFL!

[This message has been edited by ctdonath (edited August 04, 2000).]
 
At the concert arena at Six Flags / Darien Lake, there's a "nothing perceivable as a weapon allowed" sign. Interestingly, they blur the legality question with the obfuscation "artist contracts and NY state law prohibit...", so the non-lawyer doesn't know whether he'd get arrested & convicted or just tossed out. Having scoured NY laws on the subject, I haven't found anything legally forbidding carry. ...and while security makes a big show at the door and checks bags, they don't notice actual CCW.
 
ctdonath, you bring up a good point. I've never actual seen "NO GUNS" signs in Disney but their letter to me (look toward the beginning of this post) clearly spell out their policy. The bottom line is, if you are asked by the owner (or someone officially acting on behalf of the owner -- such as an employee of the owner) to leave his property because you are armed, you are required to do so or you can be charged with armed criminal trespass. However, (and this is the good point that ctdonath brought up) if you weren't notified in advance because there were no signs and you've already paid your money, what happens then? You've already paid for services (entrance into the park) which they've agreed to provide to you by accepting your money. If they ask you to leave prior to delivering those services, would you be entitled to damages because they failed to provide the services already paid for?

Comments? Anyone?
 
FUD, I checked in California codes and noted under civil proceedure that under that set of conditions the suit brought against an establishment for damages includes attorneys fees to the prevailing party. MWT
 
Why carry in WDW/EPCOT? Nobody in their right mind should attempt anything other than petty theft (not saying you should even think about that either). How is anyone going to escape? They have an vast underground network you would not believe, complete with Golf Carts, etc. Just as big as the park(s) themself. Anyone try anything, Concessions/Shops/Ride operators will telephone and/or push a button, janitors on radios will immediately call in the disturbance, etc. They are going to be tracked on several cameras at once, law enforcement is going to come rushing out from one or two of the buildings that have hidden access from the underground network and just as quickly take you back with them underground as to not disturb the guests on the surface. From there you are processed at the satellite station and taken to the county jail by sheriffs van. Did I neglect to mention that 99.9% won't even make the newspaper either? What happens in Reedy Creek stays in Reedy Creek. They don't want tourism to find out stuff does happen in WDW. WDW has many secrets. Ask any employee or former employee. There is really no need to carry in WDW. The response time is practically nil.
 
I've carried on every trip to WDW. Kel-tec P3AT in pocket or fanny pack. They inspect the contents of the pack, but have never noticed the gun compartment.
 
Do Disneyland on a rainy winter day. There will be absolutely no questions about legal carry and you will waltz right into the boarding area of almost every ride in the park, no waiting. Just dress for the weather, avoiding such gang markers as GI knit woolen watch caps :D .
 
Dan,
Good job. You sure made us look like should.

Did catch the one Pro-gun's comment about the sign. "(Although it's now posted that the Buena Park Mall- I laughed at that sign)"

And, the anti "I don't know how many CMs would still have all their limbs let alone their lives if Registered Firearms we allowed inside the park."

dean
 
Did catch the one Pro-gun's comment about the sign. "(Although it's now posted that the Buena Park Mall- I laughed at that sign)"
Click to expand...

I've seen that sign too. That mall is very near my house. Up until recently, there haven't been that many signs prohibiting firearms in Southern California suburban areas, mainly I think because of the very small number of CAnians that can legally carry. The signs are starting to show up more, but I suspect it's more for liability reasons rather than an increase in CCW (which BTW I DO believe is increasing here--there seems to be a lot more interest in CCW from us Orange County folks, where getting a CCW is generally much easier [not cheap or quick though] than surrounding counties).
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top