Guns & ammo today

[bamaranger]

remember who's gouging and rationing

Let me remind all that we still live in a democracy and cash driven economy, and if a body wants to stockpile ammo, by golly, they can.

Whats galling me is the "hustles" and frauds that are going on. We've got one dealer in our area that is basically the sole source for primers and components and they are rationing the darn things, 500 a day per customer. That is not a capitalistic/democratic society, that is socialism. If that were milk, bread, or meat, or BEER, the consumers would pitch a fit. On top of that, his prices are approaching $50.00 per 1000 (twenty couple dollars + tax per 500)
I have quit doing business w/ him and drive to another state to buy my components.

I had a "friend" approach me about .223 brass, real sad luck story. So I gave the guy a big bag of fired cases. Next local gun show, he's selling once fired brass in bags of 50!!! He won't get anymore favors from me.

If you have dealers and individuals who are scalping, remember them in the future, and find an alternative now.

 

[raftman]

We've got one dealer in our area that is basically the sole source for primers and components and they are rationing the darn things, 500 a day per customer. That is not a capitalistic/democratic society, that is socialism.

It would only be socialism if the government decided on the price and how much one could get. They're still engaging in capitalism because you still have the option of voting with your dollars. You don't like how they do business, so you do business with someone else, if enough people do the same, the business in question will either have to change its rules or fail.

 

[Tom Servo]

+1, Raftman. I know of several shops with ranges who were rationing ammunition. It seemed odd at first, but they had good reason: they needed to be able to supply ammo for people to use at the range, and if they let some Joe off the street buy it all up for his stockpile, they'd be out.

It's worth mentioning that they did this instead of raising the price. Rationing out a low-supply/high-demand product so everyone gets a chance at it isn't gouging.

Now, as far as the hyperbole and gouging...yes, I've seen it. A major online dealer was running advertising banners for awhile that claimed a ban on high-capacity magazines was imminent. One advert actually said, "the ban is coming." What ban?

The weekend after the election, there were people at the gun shows selling stock, base-model Bushmaster and DPMS carbines at $2000 and up.

On some of the swap/sell forums, I have seen certain used guns selling for as much as 50% more than new specimens, based on claims of some ban.

There was (and still is) gouging, and it shouldn't be tolerated. But let's be clear on the definition.

Great! I say let's find the dirty dog, take him out behind the barn and whoop the snot out of him!

Trust me, I'd love to. I still deal with four or five panicky people a day who thing they're going to have to declare their guns on their taxes next year. Someone is still spreading these rumors.

 

[JimL]

I still deal with four or five panicky people a day who thing they're going to have to declare their guns on their taxes next year. Someone is still spreading these rumors.

And we still don't know for sure that they are wrong. As they say in Jamaica, "Sheet hoppens, mon!" December 7, 1941 we sure could have used some good, effective rumor mongering.

 

[Tom Servo]

And we still don't know for sure that they are wrong. As they say in Jamaica, "Sheet hoppens, mon!"

Actually, we do. The whole stupid rumor started when somebody (not in politics) found a discarded bill from 2000 and chose to lie, claiming it was part of HR 45. Then they disseminated as fact over the internet, going so far as to distribute a mass email that was doctored to look like a Snopes page.

I can prove that HR 45 is dead. I can prove that SB 2099 does not exist in the current legislature.

Best not to listen to Jamaicans. They tend to smoke marijuana, which does funny things to the mental faculties.

 

[JohnKSa]

And we still don't know for sure that they are wrong.

We know for sure that the primer reclassification rumor is wrong. It's based on something that was proposed 2 years ago but shut down in the proposal stage.

We know that the rumor about people having to declare handguns on their tax forms is wrong. It's based on an old bill from a previous legislative session that received no support whatsoever and went nowhere at all.

We know that the current ammunition shortage is easily explained by non-sinister circumstances that merely require a bit of knowledge about how the ammunition manufacturing industry in the U.S. works and also a bit of understanding of human nature.

Would the administration try to restrict guns and ammunition if they thought they could do it without hurting themselves--you bet.

Have they as of this moment? No one has presented any evidence to support such a premise.

Do they have some plans in the works? I have no doubt that they do. But getting all worked up over misleading rumors is NOT going to help anything and, in fact, hurts the gun community by encouraging people to expend effort attempting to defeat non-existant threats.

 

[JimL]

We know for sure that the primer reclassification rumor is wrong.

Simple logic. The fact that something did happen in the past is NOT proof that it cannot happen in the future, rather that it is more likely to be repeated. Politicians do NOT learn lessons.

Wanting to be right simply because you didn't speak first on a matter does not make it so. The fact that one explanation is feasible does not rule out all others. Wanting something to be or not be doesn't make it so. Simply having an opinion opposite to someone else's opinion does not prove you are right. We don't know for sure about tax day this long before tax day. The fact that some people get over wrought about an idea isn't proof that the idea is false, only that they get over wrought. Some people get all excited saying the globe is warming. Not long ago people were getting all excited saying another ice age was coming. Some people get all excited saying everything is fine. None of the excitement proves anything one way or another.

Etc., etc., etc., etc.

I don't necessarily believe all the stories, only that I should quietly take steps to cover myself in case they ARE true. No shouting, no name calling, no declarations, no "you're wrong for disagreeing with me," no burying my head in the sand. Just quietly staying on top of things.

Oh, and Jamaicans getting stoned doesn't prove stuff doesn't happen in the US.Brown.

 

[m&p45acp10+1]

Well the shortage has eased up here in the Central Texas area. The local Walmarts, and Acadmy have plenty of 9mm, .40 S&W, as well as most other calibers. There is still a supply of .45 acp that comes in and is quicly bought up. .380 evaporates from the shelves as soon as it hits. It does come in from time to time. Local gunstores have good supplies of most calibers at prices that range from double at the low end, and usualy at least tripple what you can buy it for at walmart.
While I may buy guns from most of them, I refuse to buy there ammo at the prices they charge. $35 for a box of WWB .45 acp is too steep for me. I can show up at walmart at 7 am on saturday, or sunday and get it for $20. Federal Champion is $14.95 at wallyworld, and $35 at the gunstores(they bought it a walmart :barf:, I saw 3 of thier eployees at the ammo counter buying thier limit.)
Acadmey charges a bit more than walmart on ammo, I will buy there if I realy need a box or 2 for a surprise range trip. They seem to have plenty of 7.62x39mm and tons of .223, and 5.56mm so it is starting to get better here.

 

[shortwave]

Whats galling me is the "hustles" and frauds that are going on...

A few months ago at a rather large outdoors store, I witnessed an all out fight over 9mm ammo. This store had a limit(can`t remember amount) of box`s of ammo you where able to purchase. When the store opened people were at the gun counter lined up for this ammo to be brought out. An employee was coming down the isle with a pallet jack loaded with cases 9mm. A guy was at the register trying to buy all of it. First arguement was between him and the cashier,then here comes the manager. A customer stuck his two cents in and before it was over the guy trying to buy all the ammo was forcefully escorted out the door. Ended up this guy owns a small gunstore in Southern Ohio, was buying ammo and jacking the price up for re-sale. Call it 'free enterprise' or 'gouging' these kind of high priced gun shops just won`t get my money. Period! IMO,its just taking advantage of a known situation that goes along the 'get rich quick' line of thought rather than 'I`m in the gun business for the long haul so I want to take care of my customer and still make a moderate profit'.

Best not listen to Jamaicans. They tend to smoke marijuana, which does funny thins to the mental faculties

A typical 'Glass House' statement as a few of OUR past/present lawmakers have been stone alcoholics/addicts and we, as a society have agreed to accept them But thats a different thread altogether.