Gun Store Etiquette

Well all I know is you can try to cushion the hammer fall on a GLOCK:eek: all you want, but you can't damage the sear in those! More proof of its superiority. Its not even a debate with a glock.
 
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Pull the trigger allowing the hammer to free fall forward on the empty chamber. Do not "ease" the hammer down by holding or blocking it. Doing so can mar the sear tip which will result
in a substandard trigger pull.

Ref

http://www.kimberamerica.com/uploads/manual-download/1911Fullsize45.pdf


All in all this thread is about gun shop etiquette, so just ask the guy, if he wants it done a certain way then do it that way.


The gunsmith told me about when I was handling his target 1911 with a 2# trigger. Perhaps the ones with a 5-6 pound pull may not be affected as much.
 
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Instruct the dolt behind the counter in what ways you want him to handle the gun.
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In any gun store I've been in, a semi-auto is racked, checked, and locked open by the sales drone before being handed to a customer.
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Nice. :rolleyes:

Respectfully... You guys must be the unluckiest folks I know... where every gun shop sales person you encounter deserves such disrespect and disdain.
I fully understand if you have one or two bad apples that you always seem to get at your LGS... but please don't lump them all together into a generic "gunshop sales person" corner.
"Theohazard" seems to be a good example of a thoughtful and considerate sales person... you wouldn't belittle him because of his profession would you?

Generic rant on...

The sales people that work in gun shops are a cross section of America. White, black, brown etc... men and women, young and old, trying to earn a living.
Most are good, some bad. Most are knowledgeable, some not. Most who have been doing it for awhile are slightly paranoid of being shot by an ignorant customer... some have been.
Many are retired military... and many wounded in service to our country. Some are actual, real live "Rocket Scientists" who lost their jobs in the recent unpleasantness... and working in a gun shop at 1/10 their previous salary is what they could get.
The best thing is, you can just about guarantee that no matter their political leanings, they are all pro gun.

It costs nothing to show a bit of kindness and respect to someone who is working in, what can be, a dangerous environment.

OK... rant off. :D

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Regarding GS etiquette...

Some guns they will ask you not to manipulate or dry fire. For example, collector grade automatics such as last years Kimber color case hardened 1911, or a Freedom Arms revolver... where a ring on the cylinder can actually effect the value. Usually these guns will be zip-tied to prevent manipulation, but not always.

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Since this is a thread about gun store etiquette and the issue of dry-firing a gun (after permission has been obtained, of course) has been mentioned a few times, I notice that most say when granted permission, they select a (presumably safe) spot on the floor, or in one post, the ceiling.

This brings to mind a question. Is this (ie: using these aiming points as a backstop) really considered to be a safe/acceptable practice?

I know that it is highly unlikely that after a weapon has been cleared, that a shot could be fired, but stranger things have happened. Are either of these options really acceptable?
 
I always ask if I can dry fire.

Only way to find out about the feel of the trigger. :)

Not all gun shops will let you dry fire though.:(
 
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This brings to mind a question. Is this (ie: using these aiming points as a backstop) really considered to be a safe/acceptable practice?
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In my opinion, yes. In our store most of the customers try to aim out the window or past us at the wall behind the counter. If an accidental discharge occurred, a shot out the window would be potentially dangerous, and a shot straight behind the counter could hit a passing employee. The top of the wall behind the counter offers a safe backstop while ensuring no one could be between the gun and the target, while at the same time allowing the customer to get a better feel for the gun than if they were aiming at the floor. Also, having all the customers aim in the same direction makes it easier to identify anyone who may be doing something with a gun other than testing its sights and trigger pull.
 
Begs the question: how many forum members have witnessed / experienced an accidental firing of a weapon, either as an owner/employee of a gun shop or as a bystander?
 
I dry fire... because it will NEVER ruin a gun despite claims to the otherwise and you will have to check the trigger pull and feel. I ask first, then take out the magazine and rack the slide three times.

Also, if I'm serious, I ask them if I can take it apart and see if there's any rust inside the slide and check the inside of the barrel for any damage. It's humid down here and gun stores don't always take the best care of their guns.

You can also look down the magwell for scuffing to see if the gun is really "new" because you'll scrape the finish off metal (or scratch plastic) when you throw a magazine in there a few dozen times.
 
Instruct the dolt behind the counter in what ways you want him to handle the gun. Check if empty, check safety, dry fire, do poses with it. Then you can really see what YOU will look like with the gun.

LOL - you only live once.
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Respectfully... You guys must be the unluckiest folks I know... where every gun shop sales person you encounter deserves such disrespect and disdain.
I fully understand if you have one or two bad apples that you always seem to get at your LGS... but please don't lump them all together into a generic "gunshop sales person" corner.
"Theohazard" seems to be a good example of a thoughtful and considerate sales person... you wouldn't belittle him because of his profession would you?

Generic rant on...

The sales people that work in gun shops are a cross section of America. White, black, brown etc... men and women, young and old, trying to earn a living.
Most are good, some bad. Most are knowledgeable, some not. Most who have been doing it for awhile are slightly paranoid of being shot by an ignorant customer... some have been.
Many are retired military... and many wounded in service to our country. Some are actual, real live "Rocket Scientists" who lost their jobs in the recent unpleasantness... and working in a gun shop at 1/10 their previous salary is what they could get.
The best thing is, you can just about guarantee that no matter their political leanings, they are all pro gun.

It costs nothing to show a bit of kindness and respect to someone who is working in, what can be, a dangerous environment.
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You assumed IMO what I meant in my statement. My problem with the generic gun shop employee is that they don't know often what they should know. It has nothing to do with their job vs mine. I'm not arrogant enough to look down at someone because of what they do. I once had the crappy dead end low paying job myself. Its more or less a guess as to why anyone has any job that they have. Its not wise to assume what kind of a person they are based on their job.

My statement centered around how incompetent they can be. I won't look down at a Mcdonalds employee, but on the other hand, I expect a milkshake and a med fry if I order a milkshake and a med fry - in other words, whatever your job is, you should be able to do it, and do it well. No one is perfect on the other hand.

When I go to gunshops, I usually meet someone (store owner, employee, etc) that says something thats either: flat out wrong (the Italians made Lugers) in an effort to sell a gun they have in stock, something thats baseless "people say a 45 is more accurate than a 9mm" or they tell me which gun is a good collectible "this woodsman (80%, wrong grips and mag) is a great investment" when I usually know more than they about the guns that I like. All of these things annoy me esp if I try to correct the person, and they argue. On occassion they assume that I am wrong because I am often younger than that person which is a logical fallacy / major assumption. Its just a pet peeve of mine. I know in 5 min if someone took the time to read and learn the things that I have read and learned, or if they are well experienced about a given gun related subject. I can tell when someone doesn't know or is trying just to make a sale. The other thing that adds to this frustration of mine is that when I sell a gun, and I have sold a fair amount, I tell the truth about the gun and if I make a conjecture, I can support it. I don't need to be a "used car salesman" to sell the guns that I have sold because I avoid the crap that gun shops occasionally deal in. Its very true that "a good gun sells itself" and that no BS needs to be done. Sometimes they didn't know themselves that they bought a mediocre or less than mediocre gun, but IMO they should know more often than I observe that they do.

Of course there are gun shops that know what they're doing, and are honest, with fair opinions of their inventory, but more often, I have not observed that in my experience.
 
Whether dry firing will hurt a gun or not is completely irrelevant. It's simply rude to dry fire another person's gun without first getting permission. It's also rude to start racking the slide or working the action of any gun in a store if you really aren't considering buying it. It's like asking to test drive a new car just so you can go on a little joy ride and say you drove the latest model Corvette.

I can guaranty you that most people don't want anyone dry firing their guns. Just ask yourself: Would it bother you if a friend picked up your gun and started dry firing it without asking your permission?
 
When using their bullseye 1911's, I have been told by multiple NAVSEA armorers not to rack the slide on an empty chamber or to dry fire on an empty...because dropping the hammer on an empty chamber and releasing the slide on an empty chamber can cause hammer bounce back which will damage the delicate sear engagment surface sooner than later.
 
how many forum members have witnessed / experienced an accidental firing of a weapon, either as an owner/employee of a gun shop or as a bystander?
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Yep. Twice in the store, twice directly witnessed in the parking lot, and two others I'm certain of but did not witness in the parking lot.

I dry fire... because it will NEVER ruin a gun despite claims to the otherwise and you will have to check the trigger pull and feel.
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That's not completely true when it comes to rimfires.
 
Instruct the dolt behind the counter in what ways you want him to handle the gun.
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.........takes one to know one.


It costs nothing to show a bit of kindness and respect to someone who is working in, what can be, a dangerous environment.
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This. The folks behind the counter at my LGS are the owners. Or their kids who have been there since they were old enough to walk. The shop has been in existence for over 100 years. These folks know guns inside and out. Still, there's always those that walk in and instantly talk down to them and try to impress them and everyone else in the store with their knowledge. You know the one's....they think they could've won the west. They generally walk in with their chest stuck out and walk out with their tail between their legs. Still, even tho they don't show respect to the owners, the owners still show respect to the braggarts. Shows a lot about integrity.
 
Begs the question: how many forum members have witnessed / experienced an accidental firing of a weapon, either as an owner/employee of a gun shop or as a bystander?


Not a firearm,but once in a very crowed store they were checking a customers draw lenth on his bow with a arrow marked in inches. He had it at full draw and released it:eek:It bounced around the store nearly missing several people including me and my young son.
 
Nearly missing?

Not a firearm,but once in a very crowed store they were checking a customers draw lenth on his bow with a arrow marked in inches. He had it at full draw and released itIt bounced around the store nearly missing several people including me and my young son.
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Too bad it didn't miss those people. Hope everyone recovered okay.:eek:

Just kidding. I know what you meant. I'm from the South where nearly is synonamous with almost. We would have said "barely missing" or "nearly hitting". It just sounded funny to me.
 
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Instruct the dolt behind the counter in what ways you want him to handle the gun.


.........takes one to know one.



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It costs nothing to show a bit of kindness and respect to someone who is working in, what can be, a dangerous environment.

This. The folks behind the counter at my LGS are the owners. Or their kids who have been there since they were old enough to walk. The shop has been in existence for over 100 years. These folks know guns inside and out. Still, there's always those that walk in and instantly talk down to them and try to impress them and everyone else in the store with their knowledge. You know the one's....they think they could've won the west. They generally walk in with their chest stuck out and walk out with their tail between their legs. Still, even tho they don't show respect to the owners, the owners still show respect to the braggarts. Shows a lot about integrity.
There are no "dolts" working behind the counters of the gun stores I shop at. However, I have seen more than a couple doltish customers. A little bit of civility goes a long way in my experience.
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OP here, and to just make clear, in case my original post did not, I always ask if it is ok to dry fire. I just assume almost everything else, working action etc etc, is ok to do.

On a side note, one time while in a LGS I asked about a Browning Hi Power, but I accidentally called it a Hi Point. The owner acted as if I was no good and refused to acknowledge me anymore after that. I have not been to that store since. :mad:
 
I dry fire... because it will NEVER ruin a gun despite claims to the otherwise
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Taurus specifically warns against dry-firing at least some of their revolvers. Whether this practice will "ruin" their guns, I don't know-but said admonition is in their manuals.
 
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