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Gun snobs?
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SmokeeatersE35
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Gun Snobs
I have heard lots of people say that if you have a 1000 dollar gun generally you should put a scope that costs about half that on there...do i believe in that no, no but i also believe you get what you pay for... i have an AR-15 that i put a new upper on and i bought a Nikon M-223 2x8 32 to put on it...is is a cheaper scope no as i paid 350 for it a few years ago...i didnt have the cash at the time to put a leupold AR scope on there as they are in my opinion a little better optics. For what i use it for coyote/varmint and range shooting it does work for me. I guess it is peoples preference and application that would help determine what they want to use...i will not knock anyone for putting high end scopes on their guns as if they have the money to spend more power to them...i would love to own a EO TECH zombie red dot with the magnifier but i dont have the 1200 bucks to spend on the set up...is it cool yes but do i have a useful application for it not really..same with the Trijicons but i cant afford these scopes so i try and find scopes with good ratings and middle of the road priced...I know What you are saying though...the only things i have seem in the forums as a new member so far is its hard to have anyone reply to any of your posts...but i dont call it snobish maybe as a newbie it takes a while to get noticed...
I have heard lots of people say that if you have a 1000 dollar gun generally you should put a scope that costs about half that on there...do i believe in that no, no but i also believe you get what you pay for... i have an AR-15 that i put a new upper on and i bought a Nikon M-223 2x8 32 to put on it...is is a cheaper scope no as i paid 350 for it a few years ago...i didnt have the cash at the time to put a leupold AR scope on there as they are in my opinion a little better optics. For what i use it for coyote/varmint and range shooting it does work for me. I guess it is peoples preference and application that would help determine what they want to use...i will not knock anyone for putting high end scopes on their guns as if they have the money to spend more power to them...i would love to own a EO TECH zombie red dot with the magnifier but i dont have the 1200 bucks to spend on the set up...is it cool yes but do i have a useful application for it not really..same with the Trijicons but i cant afford these scopes so i try and find scopes with good ratings and middle of the road priced...I know What you are saying though...the only things i have seem in the forums as a new member so far is its hard to have anyone reply to any of your posts...but i dont call it snobish maybe as a newbie it takes a while to get noticed...
buckhorn_cortez
New member
Anyone noticed a general snobbery on some forums as far as guns and optics?
I'm still amazed when people spend the price of a new car on an ar 15 and act like anything else won't even fire. Same with optics. I can see spending a few hundred on a good scope. I could even see spending a grand if they were a high level 1000 yard shooter, but some people put 4000, scopes on their ARs and I just have to ask where the heck do some of these people work to have hundreds of thousands into their guns.
Just a little bit of a rant and I am curious if anyone else has noticed this
What I notice are posts like this where expensive = snob because the poster can't afford, doesn't understand, or feigns amazement that everyone doesn't have the exact same motivations or gun budgets as the OP.
I have expensive guns that have been, for the most part, customized, modified, or custom built specifically to meet my requirements. It's always been like that even when I was in college and working two jobs to put myself through school.
I don't judge other people by what they buy or own - why do you?
SmokeeatersE35
Inactive
snobs
agreed buckhorn.... its all about what fits your needs.......
agreed buckhorn.... its all about what fits your needs.......
SmokeeatersE35
Inactive
what are the best
which optics are on the better side and made in the USA? it almost seems all these companys are sending their maufacturing overseas......
which optics are on the better side and made in the USA? it almost seems all these companys are sending their maufacturing overseas......
Every one has a different budget, different priorities, and different taste. A high end weapon to me might be entry level fodder for someone else, or vice versa.
Buy a gun, shoot it, shoot it well, and forget other people and what that think about it.
Agreed. Gun snobs really annoy me. Most folks have to justify their gun purchases to themselves one way or another. I might have liked to buy a HK semi, but I couldn't justify, to myself, paying twice the price of the FNS I bought. I bought a Taurus 1911. I would have liked to buy a high end 1911, but wish I had spent a little more on a Springfield RO. I didn't know at the time and didn't really have the budget. It is a learning thing also. Bang for the buck is a big thing for me also. One thing about the snobs that annoys me is the statement of implication that " you should have bought gun x, y, or z because I said so". Really? Don't rain on my parade and I won't kick mud on you. Shoot and enjoy what you choose.
SocialAnarchist
Moderator
Heck, to me I figure if you own a firearm and YOU can make it do what YOU want it to do what does it matter what anyone else thinks about it.
I don't own what would be called a high price gun, but I do have some that were expensive for my budget, and a few that were considerably less money. Funny thing is when I load them and pull the trigger every single one of them goes bang.
If I can someday I would love to own some of the more expensive firearms I only dream about and drool over today, but in the meantime I will shoot and enjoy what I have.
I don't own what would be called a high price gun, but I do have some that were expensive for my budget, and a few that were considerably less money. Funny thing is when I load them and pull the trigger every single one of them goes bang.
If I can someday I would love to own some of the more expensive firearms I only dream about and drool over today, but in the meantime I will shoot and enjoy what I have.
I'm in the middle like a lot of others have posted, but more importantly, I believe in "to each his own". I'm not in a place where I can justify to myself spending $3200 on an Ed Brown, but I would never begrudge another for doing so. By the same token, if a Hi Point fits your needs... Then that's okay too, and I wouldn't criticize.
Some of the snobbery may be genuine foolishness, but I suspect that a larger degree may be due to the anonymous nature of the internet and the irrepressible urge to start up a bunch of #%£?! on a thread just for entertainment. Some folks just need a quarrel to feel like they are doing something productive, I suppose.
Some of the snobbery may be genuine foolishness, but I suspect that a larger degree may be due to the anonymous nature of the internet and the irrepressible urge to start up a bunch of #%£?! on a thread just for entertainment. Some folks just need a quarrel to feel like they are doing something productive, I suppose.
What I notice are posts like this where expensive = snob because the poster can't afford, doesn't understand, or feigns amazement that everyone doesn't have the exact same motivations or gun budgets as the OP.
I have expensive guns that have been, for the most part, customized, modified, or custom built specifically to meet my requirements. It's always been like that even when I was in college and working two jobs to put myself through school.
I don't judge other people by what they buy or own - why do you?
Again. I am refering to those who expect everyone else to have the same budget as them and refer to high end stuff as junk because it is not ultra cutting edge high end
Some people feel validated by simply having spent money on hardware. I've seen new shooters blow insane amounts of money on whiz-bang über tactical stuff only to be miserable because the hardware won't do the work for them. I've watched folks who buy hardware that's just good enough on a budget blossom into great shooters.
Does better (and more expensive) hardware help? Perhaps, when that person has reached a level in their shooting that they know their exact strengths and needs. Until then, they're dealing with a matter of diminishing returns at higher prices.
Heck, some folks simply feel superior because they've had to take out a second mortgage to pay for something. I generally avoid those people, as they tend to have other personality issues I find tedious.
Does better (and more expensive) hardware help? Perhaps, when that person has reached a level in their shooting that they know their exact strengths and needs. Until then, they're dealing with a matter of diminishing returns at higher prices.
Heck, some folks simply feel superior because they've had to take out a second mortgage to pay for something. I generally avoid those people, as they tend to have other personality issues I find tedious.
buckhorn_cortez
New member
Again. I am refering to those who expect everyone else to have the same budget as them and refer to high end stuff as junk because it is not ultra cutting edge high end
Well...you're way past me on this one. I'm lost. I have no idea what "ultra cutting edge high end" is. Can you give me an example?
buckhorn_cortez
New member
which optics are on the better side and made in the USA?
You'll have tp define "better side."
Nightforce assembles all of their scopes in Idaho, but on many of the scopes the primary core components may be manufactured in Japan.
Leupold manufacturers their scopes in the United States. However, most of their glass is sourced from Europe or Japan.
US Optics manufactures their scopes in the United States, but a lot of the glass is Schott Glass from Germany.
Swift manufactures their scopes in the U.S. and may use some U.S. glass.
Optical glass is one of those things that is difficult to manufacture without a lot of highly specialized equipment. Even Leica gave up manufacturing glass.
Leica designs the glass formulations, has the glass manufactured to their specifications by several German glass manufacturing firms. The glass blanks are then ground, coated, and the lenses assembled in the Leica factory.
I'm not surprised that most of the U.S. scope manufacturers source their lenses from outside the United States.
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Something more expensive that whatever you've got. Probably German, and usually heralded by glossy full-page ads in the gun magazines.I have no idea what "ultra cutting edge high end" is. Can you give me an example?
Brian Pfleuger
Moderator Emeritus
Well...you're way past me on this one. I'm lost. I have no idea what "ultra cutting edge high end" is. Can you give me an example?
It's pretty easy to see, it's all over the forum. Go to the rifle section and ask what scope to get for $150. Ask how much your budget SHOULD be. You'll soon find out that the scope should cost at least as much as the gun, some say 50% more! I've even seen double.
That's what the OP is talking about. Not just having an appreciation for finer things, not simply owning expensive guns but looking down your nose at people who can't afford them or don't want to, while telling them all the reasons they're stupid or foolish for not spending a months take home pay on an optic.
The OP suggests one type of snobbery, but it comes in many forms. Whether it involves making a virtue of spending more or less, or demeaning others for spending too little or too much, or just having different preferences, I think most gun snobbery revolves around self-validation.
Whatever works for a particular person should be what matters. I used to go to an indoor range where I and most of the other customers were humbled nearly every week by a gentleman who would arrive with an old S&W Model 10 revolver, shoot 3-round strings so fast his gun sounded like a full-auto, and all of the shots would be touching - always.
Whatever works for a particular person should be what matters. I used to go to an indoor range where I and most of the other customers were humbled nearly every week by a gentleman who would arrive with an old S&W Model 10 revolver, shoot 3-round strings so fast his gun sounded like a full-auto, and all of the shots would be touching - always.
SmokeeatersE35
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USA made optics
Thank you for the information buckhorn.....i try and buy american products problem is they really dont say where they are relly made....i dont mind paying more for american products at all i just wish companies would stop outsourcing work overseas...no wonder why the US is in debt!
Thank you for the information buckhorn.....i try and buy american products problem is they really dont say where they are relly made....i dont mind paying more for american products at all i just wish companies would stop outsourcing work overseas...no wonder why the US is in debt!
SmokeeatersE35
Inactive
To define better side...
i would say a scope that is good quality and in the mid range price range...some of the ones i have seen on the low end of the price range dont have good clarity, finish that leaves a bit to be desired, and broken reticles from just putting it in your safe....i have always bought nikon products...they seem to be good but i was looking into leupold for another gun i own....
i would say a scope that is good quality and in the mid range price range...some of the ones i have seen on the low end of the price range dont have good clarity, finish that leaves a bit to be desired, and broken reticles from just putting it in your safe....i have always bought nikon products...they seem to be good but i was looking into leupold for another gun i own....
SmokeeatersE35
Inactive
Gun Snobs
All i can say is i believe guns are an investment.. and the more you want to invest in it is your deal...in the end it still is worth it to me. i would never look down upon anyone for investing in something that they cherish...We do not all have the same finances and do what we can when we can...but people who think they are better than anyone else for what kind of possesions they have come on life isnt 7th grade...more power to anyone who is willing to invest their money into things they love!!
All i can say is i believe guns are an investment.. and the more you want to invest in it is your deal...in the end it still is worth it to me. i would never look down upon anyone for investing in something that they cherish...We do not all have the same finances and do what we can when we can...but people who think they are better than anyone else for what kind of possesions they have come on life isnt 7th grade...more power to anyone who is willing to invest their money into things they love!!