Gun Control in France...obviously...not working

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What am I? Not normal?

Yes, I would say your query conclusion is apt.
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Well Brother, im not normal right there with you!!

G19 w/G17 second mag. I do give in to a G26 in the summer when its shorts and tank top weather.

Being prepared to handle the worst of circumstances is not being paranoid or living your life "in fear", it just makes sense to me.

A few posts back i mentioned being in a restaurant sitting with my back to a wall and was chastised for thinking i was an "old west gunfighter".

When i was in high school (a long time ago), i was sitting in an Italian Spaghetti place, when a guy with a shotgun came in and robbed the place. Everyone ended up on the floor, cowering.

He took the register cash, but walked around and amongst the tables and all of us. Nobody was hurt, but that could have turned very bad, very fast.

That was the event that started me down the path that has become my life. Defensive driver training, firearms, edged weapons. Literally tens of thousands of dollars (50-75k$) in course fees, not counting all the job related training ive received. All for the time the wolf shows up again.

CCW might not be the end all deterrent to acts of terror we would like it to be. But if someone, terrorists or street thug, trys to hurt me or my family, or even a group of strangers in some mass shooting event. I will do what i can to stop him in his tracks.

"Defend the Country against ALL enemies". Not just words, but a life choice for me. Im still Honor bound to abide by that oath.

Im sorry that some Americans on this forum feel less compelled to fight when attacked then i do. Thats ok, its your right as an American to choose what path you walk.

I will FIGHT and die if needed to protect the flock. I took that oath when i joined the Marine Corps. I took it again when i put on a badge

If you dont understand..thats fine. But dont argue that you dont live peacefully under the protection afforded by guys and girls just like me. People that go in harms way and face deadly threats on a daily basis protecting those that cant or wont protect themselves.

Rant over. Im off to the gym to TRAIN!!!
 
What am I? Not normal?

Yes, I would say your query conclusion is apt.
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Well Double naught spy, what a nasty little person you are! Good thing there are nice people here.
 
SpeMACK, glad you made it through the event.

Sharkbite, same for you and the others in the diner. That low-life with shotgun was performing a display, partly to intimidate, but mainly to serve his ego. He was probably about two brain synapses away from completing his display activity by shooting someone. It doesn't take much to trigger the action to the next level, a bit more drug use before going in, a hostile look, being ignored, whatever.
 
Well Double naught spy, what a nasty little person you are! Good thing there are nice people here.
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Nasty? How can I be nasty for agreeing with your own assessment and terminology? LOL, compared to the population of gun owners and permitted gun carriers, the norm do not practice regularly. So in a bell curve, those who practice would be in the right tail.

Maybe instead of "not normal" you should have asked about being "above average."

The the masses of gun owners are not apt to be the ones who perform heroic functions to save the world ahead of themselves and their loved ones. They haven't practiced. They haven't prepared for such an event mentally. They likely don't want to try. The didn't buy guns to be cops and they didn't buy guns to save the world. Chances are, they bought guns to protect themselves and loved ones from events that are more realistically likely to happen to them such as getting mugged, home invaded, raped, or murdered (attempted, anyway), or some other form common assault.
 
The Paris attack has quite a lot to do with gun control actually in that gun control failed abysmally to do what the people of France were promised it would do: keep them safe.
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Even if their was no gun control in France it would not have stopped the attack. Just like the lack of gun control in America did not stop terrorists attacks.
 
"Just like the lack of gun control in America did not stop terrorists attacks."

Oh come on now. There's gun control here. Too much if you ask me. Virtually all of the (what the media considers) mass shootings occur at soft targets where no one's allowed to shoot back. Aside from the military base shootings, most of the 'terrorist attacks' have been bombings/improvised bombings (I'll lump 9/11 into that category). So there's no opportunity to shoot back.

I'd like to see the numbers of the increases in carry permit applications after this Paris incident.
 
Even if their was no gun control in France it would not have stopped the attack.
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Stop the attack ? Probably not.
Shortstop the attack ? Most probably yes.

Remember, the concert part of the attack occurred
over 2 hours and forty minutes of systematic murder.
 
"Just like the lack of gun control in America did not stop terrorists attacks."

Oh come on now. There's gun control here. Too much if you ask me. Virtually all of the (what the media considers) mass shootings occur at soft targets where no one's allowed to shoot back. Aside from the military base shootings, most of the 'terrorist attacks' have been bombings/improvised bombings (I'll lump 9/11 into that category). So there's no opportunity to shoot back.
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I say the lack of gun control compared with other countries. And as you say even if there was less gun control in France, like America they would just go for softer targets. The terrorists are ruthless but doint take it for granted that they are stupid.



Shortstop the attack ? Most probably yes.
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You have no
way of knowing that. Some of the places could have being gun free zones
even if some CCW holders. And i wouldent fancy their chances if they were.

He said the attackers fired at the advancing police, and 27 rounds hit a metal shield officers were using to protect themselves.
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Redundantly repeated here; but I can't get a weapon into a concert... CCW or not. I cannot get one into a football game... Amusement park. Many malls or movie theaters are no guns allowed; but not all...

I usually avoid the places that don't allow concealed carry. If I did, I would comply with the law are rule in place and not carry.

How many legally armed people are we gonna find at a rock concert? Not me, I'll either stay home or skip the gun; most likely I'd skip the event.
 
We went to Universal, all 4, Dad and Son, the two Wives, Men armed.

Not checked, at the bag check, let walk right in to the Hard Rock as well, the group, a Beatles copy cat group, pretty good as well.

Universal would be a very tempting venue for the Parris type attack.

No chance of AK 47 type firearms though. Except using the methods the terrorists used in the Milan Airport.

Small teenaged Arabs, in Burkas, folding stock AKs hung around their necks.

Due to Italian caliber restrictions. the El Al Security only had .380 Berettas.
But it did not stop an Israeli special forces Officer finishing off a wounded terrorist, by beating him to death with his empty .380 pistol.

Gun for gun, outclassed? .380 against 7.62X39!
 
Redundantly repeated here; but I can't get a weapon into a concert... CCW or not. I cannot get one into a football game... Amusement park. Many malls or movie theaters are no guns allowed; but not all...

I usually avoid the places that don't allow concealed carry. If I did, I would comply with the law are rule in place and not carry.

How many legally armed people are we gonna find at a rock concert? Not me, I'll either stay home or skip the gun; most likely I'd skip the event.
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You are right. Basically, that is going to take a few wrongful death lawsuits where people died because they had to leave their CCW at home.

....or these places could loosen up their anti-gun policies by asking their attorneys one simple question, "If my customer is killed because of my policy, could I as the owner be held liable because I went above the law in exposing my customers to this death hazard thingy??"
 
The implication by some that various difficulties or lack of skill seems to generalize to anyone attempting armed self-defense is disheartening.

I also object to folks who think pointing out that gun control laws are detrimental to self-defense or the response to terrorism is inappropriate are just flat wrong. Every social movement can point to a law that is detrimental to their cause and show why.

So now gun folks are not to do that? Ridiculous.

If you lack the ability to use a gun with some competence, please don't carry it. Stop asking if gun X or ammo Y has better stopping power - learn how to hit a target with any modern handgun. The variance between modern handguns is trivial if you know what you are doing, except at the highest time based levels of competition. If a Glock or Sig or Blasto X doesn't 'work' for you, it is because you don't work for the gun.
 
I hear on the internet that Blasto X if loaded with
Ammo Y can stop a Rhino on PCP in full charge...
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And your point?
(From your previous posts, I'm not sure if you are for/against Citizen-Z
being able to shortstop a prolonged terrorist event)
 
One fine day, a hopped-up rhino will escape from the zoo, and they'll all stop laughing at me for carrying around that elephant gun.....:D
 
If you, apriori, think you cannot influence a single attacker or three of them - you need to rethink your gun carry. I'm not saying that you should not run for your life at first response.

This is not to throw out cliches like are you going to charge like John Wayne but to say that you are not helpless because of lack of ability or will.
 
From your previous posts, I'm not sure if you are for/against Citizen-Z
being able to shortstop a prolonged terrorist event)
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Re-read post # 141. If you can't deduce where i stand on the issue, then nothing else can help
 
Everyone is at a different skill and experience level. Some of the highly trained and experienced and would fare much better than someone that has no training. Most people feel that they can handle an event that they may face in their home or out on a stroll. I think people are trying to point out that they want to defend themselves on a one to one basis but when faced with a monumental event like the Paris tragedy they may be overwhelmed. Not saying that they wouldn't try. Not saying that they wouldn't be successful. It would be a tremendous undertaking for anyone, even a highly skilled person.


Most people spent a good amount of money on a handgun. Many had to pay exhorbitant fees to carry such gun. A good portion of working class people would find coming up with the funds to pay for expensive training to become proficient unobtainsble.

Training ammo is a luxury for some as well. Trainers shouldn't be expected to give classes at no cost. So what are we to do? Tommy Taurus may be the only one there.
 
The bottom line is NO ONE knows, with certainty, what they will do in a life or death situation. WE plan, some people train, but unless it happens to us, we do not KNOW.

The only people who do know are those who have survived life and death situations. And they know only what they did, then. It may, or may not be the right thing, NOW. However the fact that they have faced death before gives them an advantage.

It is well documented, the majority of people, in an emergency will do what they have trained to do. If they have not trained to do something, most will do nothing.

BUT, there are exceptions. There are well trained professionals who do freeze when the time comes (and if they survive, they usually seek a different kind of work, :rolleyes:), and there are totally UNTRAINED people who do the right thing by "instinct". And, sometimes, they are even successful.

No one can predict who is who and which is which with certainty and frankly its getting boring hearing all the people who think they can.

Charging down the terrorists with a ccw pistol? not in my response book, other than the possibility I might choose that to save my loved ones, if I thought there was no other option.

On the other hand, I would happily take the chance of shooting one or more of them in the back if I got the opportunity.

That's what I THINK I would do, its what I tell myself it is what I would do, but sitting here chatting on the internet, I am honest enough with myself to realize that I cannot (and will not) say with certainty what I actually would do, and NO ONE on this planet has any better idea what I would do than I do.

So stop lumping us all into the same bundle, and saying what we could, or could not do.

If you must speak for someone, speak for yourself, and remember that even you don't know the future.
 
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