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GRAMM MOVES TO SELL OUT U.S.
The following press release cleared the wires at 10:24 am Pacific Time today. It was sent to
every major news outlet in the nation.

GRAMM MOVES TO SELL OUT U.S. SAYS VOICE OF CITIZENS TOGETHER

Legalization of millions of Mexicans called treason

(SHERMAN OAKS) -- According Voice of Citizens Together, U.S. Senator Phil Gramm's
role in leading five Senators ("The Grammnesty Five"), Zell Miller (D-GA), Gramm( R-Tx),
Pete Domenici (R-NM), Jim Bunning (R-KY), Mike Crapo (R-ID), to Mexico City to
propose amnesty for seven million bordered on treason.

For a complete copy of the press release, see

http://www.americanpatrol.com/GrammSelloutVCTPR-010111.html
for more amnesty stories see
http://www.americanpatrol.com

WE MUST ACT ON THIS OUTRAGE!!!!!
Send the following email to each of the Grammnesty Five and all other Senators.


THE GRAMMNESTY FIVE

Five Senators who went to Mexico with Senator Phil Gramm to promise amnesty for seven
million illegal aliens.

mailto:phil_gramm@gramm.senate.gov (Phil Gramm - R-Texas)
mailto:senator_domenici@domenici.senate.gov ( Pete Dominici - R-New Mexico)
mailto:jim_bunning@bunning.senate.gov (Jim Bunning - R-Kentucky)
http://miller.senate.gov/email.html Zell Miller (D-Georgia)
http://www.senate.gov/~crapo/email.htm Mike Crapo (D-Idaho)
see also.

http://www.americanpatrol.com/BRACERO/GrammSelloutE-Mails010110.html

Dear Senator:

Please, oppose the "guest-worker program" for Mexicans that, according to Associated
Press,

"would have the effect of granting amnesty to those currently working illegally in the
country - up to 7 million people - while allowing others to apply for work from Mexico in
the future".

Here are some major reasons why such a program should be opposed:

- It rewards lawbreakers (illegal aliens) thus encouraging illegal immigration from the
rest of the planet.

- It will allow Mexican hegemony over large parts of the United States.

- It will create an permanent underclass that will cause future social tensions

- It will forestall any effort to correct the terrible impact of years of importing poverty into
the United States.

- The American People don't want it.

. Why give Mexico, a country that has been plagued by corruption, drug trafficking, and
social tensions, that dumps on us millions of their least desirable citizens, and a country that
seeks hegemony over our nation, such an advantage?

So, PLEASE, oppose the guest-worker program for Mexicans.

Thank you.

Yours, sincerely,

Your Name
Your address
Your phone number
 
I can't agree either. It's been done before, with great success, to several European groups. Why are Hispanics any different? Some of us on these boards are citizens because our forbears benefited from previous amnesties. These people have always been here in Texas, as part of our community, workforce, culture and economy. And most of those that become naturalized will make better citizens than many who were born here.
 
The Republican controlled congress will not be too smart if they create seven million voters 90% of which will vote for democrats in the next election.
 
Being from TX and an Aggie I am a big supporter of Gramm. However, on the face of it this doesn't strike me to well. Of course here as in all the SW states the illegals are quite expensive as we have to educate their children and give them medical care for free no matter where they were born. And since they are here illegally they pay no income or SS tax. Of course they do pay other taxes such as sales and property tax through their purchases. I can tell you Houston construction and landscaping would grind to a halt if these people were thrown out. And much of the economy of MX would be hurt too as these folks send lots of money back home. Also, I believe a similiar program was in effect either in the late Carter years or the early Reagan years. It may have been one of the last things passed by Carter.
I suppose Gramm and others' thought is that it may buy political hay for the Republicans and get these people paying taxes as they should.
They are hard working but make no mistake they do bring a lot of crime and other social problems with them.
 
Well another lesson for the suckers who are playing by the rules and trying to enter this country legally - Hey, crash the borders and lay low. Those saps will grant you amnesty eventually. You don't have to go through all that "know the Constitution and American History crap". And, here's a bennie - you can eventually bring the rest of your relatives here and get some of them on Social Security.

Can't read/write English? No problem, you can always stay in the barrio, never learn the language and STILL live the American lifestyle. Pay taxes? Why? Just claim eight people on your W-4 even if you're only 18 - nobody checks. Better yet, if you're an odd-jobs guy or gardener, ask to be paid in cash - that's like a 30% pay raise.

And remember, once you get your drivers license, you can vote! Just remember to vote for the Donkey People - they will always take care of you if you vote for them.

Why not just have open borders? Hey, c'mon in, lots of room
and there still lots of high-paying jobs you can undercut.

And don't call me a bigot - I've seen every one of the above close-up and first-hand and have been told a helluva lot more by immigrant friends who came in the hard way - legally. I've lived and worked in Kalifornia, Florida, and Texas these past 35 years and seen it all.

I go with AZ on this.

UPDATE -- 15 mins after this was posted I ran across this (emphasis mine):
ABQ city council votes to open public services to illegal immigrants

Last updated: 12/18/2000 20:54:09 MST
ALBUQUERQUE, NM

"Albuquerque city council voted 9-0 Monday night to declare Albuquerque an "immigrant friendly city."

Many in the audience at the meeting wore pink signs supporting the measure. The bill's sponsor, Hess Yntema, says there are already many illegal immigrants working and living here, and it's time they're treated like part of the community.

The bill calls for undocumented immigrants and their families to have reasonable access to health care, credit, drivers' licenses, education and all other public services.

The measure now goes to Mayor Jim Baca, who has already said he supports it."

P.S. The Mayor signed it today (01/11). Can you say
"Reconquista" children?




[Edited by Oatka on 01-11-2001 at 10:00 PM]
 
Now the question is: Will Mexico grant the same rights to Americans who want to go south and do their thing in Mexico? Or is this going to be a one-way street?
 
I'm with Oatka and Longeyes

Is this a reciprocal arrangement? I might want to take advantage of the warm weather and lower cost of living in Mexico. Can I just head south and apply for work?

This also makes a mockery of those who immigrate "the old fashioned way" and those who immigrate from other countries. If you're French or Russian, do you get the same deal? Is that fair?

In reality of course, that border is 'open' for all intensive purposes. I bet you can cross it either way all day long to your hearts content.
 
According to preliminary figures released by the U.S. Census the population of these United States increased by some 35 million people in just the last ten years. Thanks to the diligence of various groups, governmental and otherwise, we probably have a more realistic picture now of the real population growth we've been experiencing and who accounts for it (look for hard numbers for the U.S. in March). This last Election was a farce. Gore was claiming he won the popular vote; sure he did--if you count the two or three million votes (and that's a conservative estimate) he got from people who shouldn't have been voting at all. Expect more of the same, only larger, in the next Election. For those Americans who for reasons of greed or spinelessness are not concerned about issues of cultural integrity--small matters like linguistic commonality, fundamental Anglo-American business practices and ethics, rights for women, and the U.S. Constitution, written in English and interpreted in English--or the validation of lawlessness or the usurpation of public monies intended for tax-paying American citizens, maybe they should begin to be asking themselves where the resources are going to come from to support the 70 million-plus more people we are likely to see here in the next two decades. We are already short on domestic oil, short on water resources, short on first-rate infrastructure. How liveable will an America with 350 million people be, especially if we add huge numbers of low-income, poorly educated people who no longer feel compelled to become fully "American?" Change is inevitable, even desirable, but we do have some control over how this change is effected. We should, at the very least, require full allegiance and assimilation and make some hard decisions, as a people, about what a rational immigration policy should be under law and about what our core values really are. Then we should have the spine to enforce it. Sometimes compassion and fair play become suspiciously close to a death wish.
 
What does this have to do with guns, gun ownership, or the right to bear arms?

pax

"In the end, all solutions are temporary." -- Garrison Keillor
 
The way I see it, too many immigrants have entered the country in too short a period of time. They cannot really be assimilated even if they wanted to be. Many are poorly educated or uneducated, and many are illerate in the own language.

We have no idea how much immigrant disease and criminality is entering the country too. For instance, infectious tuberculosis is rapidly rising after almost disappearing from the US. This disease was the biggest killer of Americans in the 1800s. There was a reason for Ellis Island. Latest statements from US Public Health service says the leap in TB is due to immigrants.

Of the approximately 2 million people in America's prisons and jails, 25% are illegal aliens. That is 500,000 criminals right there.

A nation that will not or cannot defend its borders and the its native population is no nation at all. And, people who break our laws to enter the country illegally have very little to recommend them.

By the way, concerning the so-called hard working immigrants, I had two fairly major construction jobs done on my residence last year. Much of the work was crap and had to be redone. Most of the work crew was Latino. We could not even tell them they where screwing up because of the language barrier.

Finally, consider what will happen with hordes of these low skilled, uneducated, undocumented, and illegal aliens if the US ecomomy goes into the tank big-time? Will it be "Crimes-or-Us".
 
Pax,

If you think these issues are not related to RKBA, you should realize that self-defense begins in the mind and proceeds from the will. It's not about "hardware." We are only as safe as our convictions.
 
I'm leaning toward agreeing with longeyes, oatka, payette jack, etc. Those disagreeing with AZ's post simply aren't giving many solid, fact-backed reasons for their disagreement. Not that you're obliged to, but it would really help some of us who are more neutral and who would like to hear some logical pro/con debate on the subject.

For me, the key word is: ILLEGAL. These are people who broke the laws of our land, and we're proposing to pat them on the heads, say that everything is alright, and start handing out the goodies. Sorry, but I'm just not comfortable with that. Also, those bringing up the reciprocity aspect (or lack thereof) have a good point to that I didn't think of originally.

For those that are okay with this proposed amnesty, how do you justify this move as it relates to law and order? If you don't agree with the laws as they currently stand, fine. Get them changed. I'm not saying that I agree with every aspect of immigration law either. Nevertheless, there are immigrants who go out of there way to satisfy every requirement of our immigration laws, and who have never given a second thought to entering our country illegally. They may wait years to get in, or never get in at all. I respect these folks, and to see them symbollically crapped on by this proposal to grant amnesty to illegals who bypassed most or all of our immigration laws just doesn't sit well with me.

As stated above, I'm still fairly neutral on this, so I'd still like to hear what others on both sides have to say.
 
Payette Jack said: "In reality of course, that border is 'open' for all intensive purposes. I bet you can cross it either way all day long to your hearts content."

Got that right. My wife and I have been down to the Mexico/US (Arizona) border. The segment we saw was just a cheap, old, bent up, three-strand barbed-wire "fence". We saw three or four spots where the fence had been propped up from below, most likely to facilitate crossing from underneath. We crossed ourselves a couple times...took only about five seconds for each of us. We hung around that segment for at least half an hour, and never saw a soul on either side. We could've moved at least a couple hundred people through just that one spot in the time we were there. To get more through, a strong pair of wire-cutters would do just fine. Even lacking that, there were a few small, dead trees around. Get a couple people pushing on one of those, get it to fall right and take down the fence, and then you don't even have to crawl under.
 
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