Glock VS SIG Sauer.. but in my head.. (danger)

If in your head is danger you should probably get that checked out.

I've owned over 60 pistols, and in that covered a lot of the current production pistols. In my experience it isn't so much that one design is notably more reliable than another. To be honest the vast majority are very similar in that they use the Browning tilting barrel design and now striker fired options are available from most everyone.

What my experience has shown me is that some manufacturers have better quality control than others and this quality control relates to the number of lemons that make it into the wild and the stories we hear or the firsthand experiences we have. I've owned both SIGs and Glocks with quality issues. On SIGs it was mostly cosmetic, poor finishes, and on Glocks it was ejection and extraction related to the point where I specifically look for older Gen 3s as my experience with them has been much better.

Now that being said I haven't had a gun that was a complete failure in terms of function from Glock or SIG. There may have been issues, but the gun generally still runs. S&W and Ruger, on the other hand, have seen pistols for me that imo should never have left the factory. I've had 1911s that were in dire need of help, but I can't ignore that it was the service pistol of the US military for decades and worked well for many people. What many manufacturers offer now, however, are pistols on the 1911 pattern that are tweaked.

I'd also mention that I have never had a single CZ I owned be bad, or honestly have any issues at all, out of box. That said the most I ever put through one was a thousand rounds and change so I am not sure about long term durability.

If someone asked me what was the most reliable pistol I have ever owned, it would be either my HK P2000 or maybe my Glock 19 circa 2008 if it keeps up its current record. The HK P2000 never had a failure in the 3000 rds and change I put through it and the ejection was always excellent, whereas the Glock 19 is only at 1000 rds.
 
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If youre looking for a day in, day out, hard use gun, then the Glocks are what youre looking for. They literately excel on abuse.
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The SIG's have taken the same amount with the exception of the rusting on the external components.

The HK's have too. I just don't shoot HK as well as I shoot SIG.

I mean, so far with this coating the SIG is going well. It's been rainy and muggy all week. Whoohoo...


You know what I never understood? Why SIG made the P320 with a high bore axis... It doesn't matter in a 9mm such as the 226 or 229.. But I don't know, you had a chance to get into the striker game. Why not lower it?
 
If in your head there's no danger, you shouldn't carry a gun.
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Huh? My point was the title of this thread makes no sense to me.

You know what I never understood? Why SIG made the P320 with a high bore axis... It doesn't matter in a 9mm such as the 226 or 229.. But I don't know, you had a chance to get into the striker game. Why not lower it?
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Because they modified the existing P250 design that was hammer fired. The slide itself actually isn't dramatically taller than other slides, it's the amount of frame from the rail to the slide that is taller. I also imagine that part of the reason is because the modular design requires being able to remove the firing components as one solid unit and being able to access that unit instead of burying the components deeper in the frame.
 
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Okay? That's was kind of the point?

And I don't see that as an excuse.
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I never said it was "an excuse" lol, I'm merely stating what I see as the reality of the situation. SIG used an existing design to likely save money and get a return on their investment in that modular system that hadn't as of yet really been successful for them. I never said it was a "good" decision, though the one I owned seemed okay and the bore axis didn't seem too problematic when shooting. You're certainly free to call SIG and let them know your displeasure.
 
I have a bunch of handguns with only a couple I feel I wouldn't rely on for SD like somebody said earlier most use the same Browning tilting barrel as to finishes I haven't even had a problem with my lcp which are notorious for rust, but I wipe it with a silicone cloth nearly every time I take it out of my pocket.
I wouldn't mind having a Glock but their ergonomics suck for me.
 
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I'm aware. And I have. They laughed, I laughed, I continued with my purchase. It was a great time.
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Did you shoot the toaster? If you know that joke. ;)

I too have wondered what a P320 as a completely fresh design would be like. Part of the reason I sold my P320 Compact is that for me it did nothing that the Glock 19 didn't and the size difference was large enough to be noticeable when carrying. The grip of the P320 also seemed kind of bulbous in my hand, but I never got to try a Small frame.
 
It's been rainy and muggy all week. Whoohoo...
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How are things 18+ hours a day, every day, day in, day out, and working physically outdoors, sweating like a hog, and subjecting your shooter to the worst possible conditions? :)

Not to be a wise ass, but there seems to be a lot of people who carry little, and even then, 99% of that is in controlled environments, who obsess about the most minor spec or scratch on a gun they do carry, and it really makes you wonder. If youre going to live with it, its going to get beat up, just like all the other junk you carry around day to day. All you can hope for is, what happens to it, doesnt affect its function and reliability. If youre going to obsess on some thing, routine maintenance is a good place to put that effort.


I wouldn't mind having a Glock but their ergonomics suck for me.
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There was a time I felt the same way. Once I spent some real time living with one, I learned pretty quick, it was all in my head, and now that Ive been shooting them for awhile, I have no issues switching back and forth between the others.

Maybe its time to give them another "good" try.
 
Maybe its time to give them another "good" try.
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Why when a FN FNS and SR9 fit like a glove and I did give it a "good" try and unless I shift the damn thing my trigger finger drags the bottom of the trigger guard.

Sigs work OK but I have to put the short reach trigger in them and thin G2 grips help.
I'm just fine without a Glock, it's really unfortunate that some fanboy's just can't deal with that fact.
 
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I always say give it a "good try", simply because from experience, most dont. They try a couple of mags from a friends gun, or a range gun, and dont really put forth the effort, to learn the gun. Same goes for any of them, not just Glocks, or handguns even. Used to hear it all the time (actually still do) about AK, HK rifles, etc, too.

I think a lot of the complaints/arguments, are based on this sort of thing. That, and trying to make their choice seem like it was the right one. Not that it wasnt.

Im not saying you have to like Glock, or Glocks are the best, anything like that, simply that, with a little qualty time, and experience with one, the usual complaints seem to melt away, and in the long run, you may well find out, they really aint all that bad. They ALL have a learning curve, and those dont usually get solved, with an initial "feel".
 
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How are things 18+ hours a day, every day, day in, day out, and working physically outdoors, sweating like a hog, and subjecting your shooter to the worst possible conditions? :)

Not to be a wise ass, but there seems to be a lot of people who carry little, and even then, 99% of that is in controlled environments, who obsess about the most minor spec or scratch on a gun they do carry, and it really makes you wonder. If youre going to live with it, its going to get beat up, just like all the other junk you carry around day to day. All you can hope for is, what happens to it, doesnt affect its function and reliability. If youre going to obsess on some thing, routine maintenance is a good place to put that effort.



There was a time I felt the same way. Once I spent some real time living with one, I learned pretty quick, it was all in my head, and now that Ive been shooting them for awhile, I have no issues switching back and forth between the others.

Maybe its time to give them another "good" try.
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Actually that's exactly what I do and have done for years. Overnights. Day time. You name it. But thanks :) that's actually why it's where it's at now.
And you're looking waaaaay into it and putting words into my posts that I've never said. Please don't weave my words for something to suit your response. Take them for how I said them and how you know I meant them. If you saw my guns you'd notice they aren't safe queens and they have abuse. I'm talking about rust.

Rust with SIG vs Glock. Nothing else. Calm down potato lol.
 
...You know what I never understood? Why SIG made the P320 with a high bore axis...
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Have you shot a P320? The high bore axis is a non-issue. It is an extremely easy gun to shoot and regaining your sight picture is fast. My accuracy and and speed is much quicker than with my G19 and I have owned and shot the G19 longer. The trigger on the P320 definitely contributes to accurate and fast shooting.

When my P320 completes its "thousand round" shakedown it will likely be one of my carry guns. It's almost there with 100% reliability.

Now I still like my G19 but don't carry with it, I prefer to carry a G26.

For the pure fun of shooting, nothing beats a 1911.

Oh heck, I like shooting any kind of gun, they're all good to me! :)
 
They're a non-issue with the P226 and P229 too.... you missed my point lol. They had the chance to get with the program by making a striker fired pistol with a low bore axis and they didn't do it. :/
 
Of course everyone knows Glock is the only firearm for self defense, all those other poser brands are just for selfies or fools that want to die when they need their firearm the most. :rolleyes:
 
I always say give it a "good try", simply because from experience, most dont. They try a couple of mags from a friends gun, or a range gun, and dont really put forth the effort, to learn the gun. Same goes for any of them, not just Glocks, or handguns even. Used to hear it all the time (actually still do) about AK, HK rifles, etc, too.
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IN some cases, a couple of mags is all the "good try" that I need. :D

One CAN learn to master about anything. But I'm not in a situation where I have to. I have the luxury of not needing to waste my time or money mastering a weapon that I don't particularly like.

So, brace yourselves for the heresy, but I don't own a single GLock. I have ONE Sig, a 35 year old Browning BDA 45. Since my BDA has never let me down, I never needed another.

USAOC&S trained Small Arms Repairman in the mid 70s. I know the 1911A1 inside and out. I trust certain 1911A1s implicitly. I do not trust a gun just because it has 1911 in the name. Too many people have "improved" the 1911A1 the same way too many cooks improve the stew....
 
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