Glock vs. M&P vs. SD9

ritepath said:
Of course everyone keeps saying glock, just like everyone says Iphone is the only smartphone. It's all they know...

Buy the M&P and never look back at the "there's only one" folks.

Or Pick up the Ruger, not a bad choice that's for sure.
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Yeah m&p it is. Plus its cheaper anyways. Glock is ok but I hate that stupid block look.
 
Screw ruger. They stopped selling semi autos in my state.
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All they needed to do was make zero changes to the guns they were already selling and they could've continued selling in CA. The lc9/lc380s and sr9s were selling really well when they were still on roster.
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First of all, lets' be clear about some things. It's not only Ruger who has been affected. Just about everything in the S&W M&P line is scheduled to fall off of the CA roster soon as well (except for the CA model Shield).

Both Ruger and S&W were affected by new regulations "made up" by the DOJ, to the effect that ANY changes to the design or manufacture of a gun would require a new round of testing, fees, certification, etc.

Since many companies source identical parts from different suppliers, this essentially meant that every time they had a gun which consisted of a new combination of parts (from different suppliers) they'd have to certify that as a completely different SKU. This amounts to dozens (maybe hundreds) of additional SKUs, where there previously was only one. If they locked themselves into a single bill-of-materials for CA guns, that would essentially remove all supply/demand from factoring into pricing from suppliers. You'd then find CA guns far more expensive for that reason. A price increase of $100-$200 would not be out of the question.

It's a giant "F.U." move from a very anti-gun Attorney General.

No company can operate profitably under such circumstances. The party to be angry at is the ignorant voters of our once proud and free State ... not companies just trying to avoid stupidity.
 
Shot a friend's M&P last week, Thursday to be exact. I didn't like the trigger, kinda mushy. Not that Glock triggers are anything great, they're not, but the Glock trigger is better than the M&P, IMHO.
 
Shot a friend's M&P last week, Thursday to be exact. I didn't like the trigger, kinda mushy. Not that Glock triggers are anything great, they're not, but the Glock trigger is better than the M&P, IMHO.
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*factory* trigger.

Drop an Apex Tactical kit into the M&P and it becomes one of the best striker fired triggers on the market. Better than the PPQ or VP9, in my opinion. It's the ONLY downside to the M&P and it's easily resolved.
 
If glocks are so good why won't military adopt them now?
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Umm they are?

To be fair it's pretty much a wash between all of them. M&P had its fair share of accuracy and trigger issues, should be addressed by now though
 
zombietactics said:
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First of all, lets' be clear about some things. It's not only Ruger who has been affected. Just about everything in the S&W M&P line is scheduled to fall off of the CA roster soon as well (except for the CA model Shield).

Both Ruger and S&W were affected by new regulations "made up" by the DOJ, to the effect that ANY changes to the design or manufacture of a gun would require a new round of testing, fees, certification, etc.

Since many companies source identical parts from different suppliers, this essentially meant that every time they had a gun which consisted of a new combination of parts (from different suppliers) they'd have to certify that as a completely different SKU. This amounts to dozens (maybe hundreds) of additional SKUs, where there previously was only one. If they locked themselves into a single bill-of-materials for CA guns, that would essentially remove all supply/demand from factoring into pricing from suppliers. You'd then find CA guns far more expensive for that reason. A price increase of $100-$200 would not be out of the question.

It's a giant "F.U." move from a very anti-gun Attorney General.

No company can operate profitably under such circumstances. The party to be angry at is the ignorant voters of our once proud and free State ... not companies just trying to avoid stupidity.
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I know but ruger is the first to go. If the business model was so unprofitable they would pull out of the state altogether but they havent. They are still producing revolvers and selling them here. Same with Smith.

There is no political remedy in this state. Anti gun people outnumber gun people three to one. Even the supposedly pro gun party puts forth anti gun candidates.
 
Go to a range that you can rent the three guns and go home with the one you shoot the best.

They are all good reliable and quality pistols. Hearing that I looked at both and chose the Glock isn't much help. I just plain shoot Glocks better.
 
GEARHEAD_ENG said:
Go to a range that you can rent the three guns and go home with the one you shoot the best.

They are all good reliable and quality pistols. Hearing that I looked at both and chose the Glock isn't much help. I just plain shoot Glocks better.
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Ive shot a glock and m&p. I did the same with both so its down to looks for me so im going m&p
 
Uncle Malice said:
M&P.

Just as good as the Glock. If you like the way it feels, get it. I love the M&P 9 and I'm happy to put mine up against anyone who claims that they're not accurate. :)

It is true that some of the earlier models had some issues with not properly stabilizing bullets. That has been resolved and any new model you get should have 1 or 2 dimples on the underside of the barrel. This means it's the newer design and accuracy is fine. It doesn't matter if it's 1 or 2 dimples - that just indicates which machine is came off of.

The SD 9 is decent, but the M&P is better.
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Yes :) ^ this. I love Glock too though. But M&P is what I'm carrying these days and that's for a reason. The new production ones even have an actual trigger reset! Can't wait to Apex this puppy.
 
*factory* trigger.

Drop an Apex Tactical kit into the M&P and it becomes one of the best striker fired triggers on the market. Better than the PPQ or VP9, in my opinion. It's the ONLY downside to the M&P and it's easily resolved.
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I would disagree with Uncle Malice, I own Glocks with Ghost internals, M&Ps with Apex internals, and a PPQ, neither compare to the PPQ trigger, ergonomics on the PPQ are very good also. I don't know if they are an option in California but they ate more than worth consideration...

Solely between the M&P and the Glock I don't think there is a wrong choice, they are both great firearms....
 
I would disagree with Uncle Malice, I own Glocks with Ghost internals, M&Ps with Apex internals, and a PPQ, neither compare to the PPQ trigger, ergonomics on the PPQ are very good also.
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Which internals?

Try one with the complete DCAEK kit + AEK trigger on a newer production M&P with a good trigger reset.

Owned the PPQ. Sold it.
 
If glocks are so good why won't military adopt them now?
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Based on this logic, the only gun people should own is a Beretta 92?

Buy what ever one feels better. Both are great guns.
 
First, Ruger's guns were the first to go because their 2-year cycle on the Roster of guns came up first.

If you haven't checked lately, most M&P handguns are also no longer available here, and Shields are about it that are left [until THEY fall of the list].

So, good luck finding the M&P here.

Yes, here. I FEEL your pain!

The way it was explained to me was that the gun company would have had to legally guarantee they would NEVER change the material or supplier of a single pin, screw or spring [usually subcontracted parts] in order to stay on the list.

The "Serial Number mark left by the breech face and firing pin" requirement was the final nail in the coffin.

I am rooting for their lawsuit against the state! GO S&W/RUGER/NRA!

Instead of criticizing them, you should be rooting for their lawsuit. What other gun maker is putting money where their mouth is to support a LEGEAL CHALLENGE to these laws, instead of just backing off and walking away?

Revolvers don't have to have the serial number requirement, IIRC, because they don't auto-eject. Thus, it wouldn't add to public safety. :rolleyes: Single-Action revolvers don't have to be on the list at all, and Ruger makes a LOT of good single-action revolvers.

My next ruger will be either a BlackHawk or a Super BlackHawk.

I like the M&P fit better. A Glock Gen 4 might be as good, but the Gen 4 is NOT on the list either.
 
jmstr said:
First, Ruger's guns were the first to go because their 2-year cycle on the Roster of guns came up first.

If you haven't checked lately, most M&P handguns are also no longer available here, and Shields are about it that are left [until THEY fall of the list].

So, good luck finding the M&P here.

Yes, here. I FEEL your pain!

The way it was explained to me was that the gun company would have had to legally guarantee they would NEVER change the material or supplier of a single pin, screw or spring [usually subcontracted parts] in order to stay on the list.

The "Serial Number mark left by the breech face and firing pin" requirement was the final nail in the coffin.

I am rooting for their lawsuit against the state! GO S&W/RUGER/NRA!

Instead of criticizing them, you should be rooting for their lawsuit. What other gun maker is putting money where their mouth is to support a LEGEAL CHALLENGE to these laws, instead of just backing off and walking away?

Revolvers don't have to have the serial number requirement, IIRC, because they don't auto-eject. Thus, it wouldn't add to public safety. :rolleyes: Single-Action revolvers don't have to be on the list at all, and Ruger makes a LOT of good single-action revolvers.

My next ruger will be either a BlackHawk or a Super BlackHawk.

I like the M&P fit better. A Glock Gen 4 might be as good, but the Gen 4 is NOT on the list either.
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The guns are grandfathered into the list bro. Any gun on the list is not affected by microstamping. It also wasnt down to a single pin in was if they changed any gun in a substantial way. Not defending this horsecrap at all but they could've thrown us a bone. Ive donated to calguns and the NRA. The best strategy im hearing is to let all guns fall off the roster. Making it a de facto gun ban. But if that doent work then CA would be screwed.
 
Well Im finally going to buy my first handgun. Ive settled on the polymer pistols because 1911s are too expensive. Im trying to decide between the glock 19, m&p9 and sd9. I like the glock the least but everyone keeps saying glock. M&P9 felt great in the hand. And sd9 seems great for the price. I just cant find any gun shops that have them in stock. Opinions?
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You answered your own question-the M&P feels great to you. Thats the most important factor right there between the three (there isn't that much difference frankly). Get it.
 
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