glock saved the 10mm.

I have to agree with Sevens, while there were some guns produced in 10mm, some popular, some not so popular, it has been the true fans of the 10mm cartridge and the ballistics performance it brings to the semiauto pistol platform that has continued the proliferation as such.:cool:

Here are a few of the guys that enjoyed the 10mm cartridge and brought some of the best commercial loadings to market: Mike McNett (Double Tap), Mike Willard (SwampFox), Buffalo Bore, Kevin Underwood (Underwood Ammo), Georgia Arms, and a few others.:D

What has been the deterrent to this great 10mm cartridge, is the fact that many people have been blinded, by the past history of the cartridges like, the 45ACP and 9mm and the constant brainwashing in every media outlet trying to keep their share of the pie with their advertising. You can NOT pick up a magazine with out a 1911 this or 45ACP that on the cover or gracing the pages within! Yes they have been great guns, but the brainwashing continues as they throw the blocks of metal on the CNC machines and then rape willing people of their money$$$$$$:eek:

So if someone comes in with an open mind, studies what the 10mm brings to the party for shooters, hunters and self defense needs, then you may learn of the performance strengths that can be had.

Those reading here, who wish to learn more about the 10mm guns and cartridges as loaded, used, tested and studied, might want to stop by the 10mmFirearms forum...
http://10mm-firearms.com/index.php

It is these people and enthusiasts that hang out there, who know the history and passion they have come to enjoy and are freely sharing their knowledge for anyone interested.:cool:
 
Here is another reason to like the 10mm pistols like Glock, EAA and some others.

These can be converted to 40S&W, 357Sig and 9x25Dillon with nothing more than a barrel swap. Same feel, same sights, same trigger, same gum...:D

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Count me in as a .40 fan too, but one reason I got out of the 10mm as whole was because with full strength loads, I didn't see a big difference in performance between it and a full strength .40 S&W. An example is a G22 vs G20 both using Longshot and 180gr bullets. With a book max load (8.0gr .40 vs 9.5gr 10mm), the G20 would run about 1260-1270 fps where as the G22 would run around 1200 fps. I don't think anything living could tell the difference between the two if shot.
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"Full-strength" seems to be open to interpretation.
I don't pay too much attention to the .40 S&W, but are there really loads that push a 180 to 1200fps from a 4" barrel?
1000fps is a "full-strength" 180 load in .40.
 
For hunting purposes, nothing quite brings home what 10mm can do like a Lone Wolf 9" barrel.
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Makes me wish Marlin would redo the Camp 9 & 45, and add a Camp 10mm :eek:
 
saw that too

Yeah, I wondered about that "1200 fps" myself. What little factory .40/ 180 I've shot over the chrono was well under 1000 fps from my HP. The G20 will consistently tap 1200 fps, or very close, with relative ease from safe reloads, and the factory W-W 175 Silvertip will too.
 
While Glock may be the biggest gun maker helping keep the 10mm alive and well, it would help if more ammo companies had ammo out there. I know you can get everything online, but walk into your average gunshop and ask if they even carry 10mm ammo. What about Walmart? I know when I bought mine I knew I'd be reloading for it but think in terms of your average joe. Lots of folks want to walk into a store, grab ammo and go shooting. Not much in the way of plinking ammo to be found at most of your mainstream stores. What ammo you do find is seriously overpriced for what it is. That's got to be some sort of a deterrent.
 
There will never be more than a few manufacturers that make a 10mm pistol. If someone wished to compete with the few companies that already make a 10mm pistol, how much would they have to invest, and how many would they sell? Those considering on entering that market have already determined it would not be worth their effort.

For a niche user group, there are few rounds that equals the 10mm in its maximum loadings, but for 95% of the people using common store bought ammo, there are much better calibers.

I considered getting a 10mm. I went to my local gun shop and looked at the ammo they had. The ones that had info on the box showed the 40 S&W to be more powerful than the 10mm at one third less the cost.

I don't need to pack around my 44 Mag, when my 38Spl will get the job done. Same principle with semi autos. One can say that a fully loaded 10mm is much better protection against a wild moose than a 40 S&W, but then how many people have a wild moose problem?
 
Even Col. Cooper, who articulated the purpose of and need for the 10mm cartridge, if not actually developing it, admitted that the great advantage of the 10mm, when compared to other service pistol cartridges - striking a telling blow at long range - isn't really of much value in a service pistol.

"A 10mm can do at 75 yards, what a .45 will do at 75 feet!", and similar, accompanied the introduction of the Bren Ten and its new cartridge, but who shoots at anything 75 yards away with a pistol?

The development of the 10mm is similar to that of the .41 Magnum; envisioned as a service cartridge, what was delivered was something completely different which left people wondering what it was for?
If you already have a big, heavy, .44 Mag, why do you need a big, and even somewhat heavier .41 Magnum?

The Bren Ten didn't enjoy much of a capacity advantage compared to a 1911, the gun it was supposed to replace, so you then have to ask if you get a benefit from driving a 200gr bullet at 1200fps compared to driving it at 950?
The FBI discovered that you don't, and that's why we have the "FBI Lite" version of the 10, and the .40 S&W.
Ballistically, a hot .40 is what the 10 was supposed to be.
 
If you already have a big, heavy, .44 Mag, why do you need a big, and even somewhat heavier .41 Magnum?
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My Stock 10mm holds 16 rounds with a flush magazine. I believe the Glock's capacity is something similar. This is about what your average double-stack 9mm or large capacity .40 holds.

The 10mm has better penetration capability - it's not all about accuracy and distance. But, where the 10mm would really shine would be in modern submachine guns. The KRISS should have been made slightly stouter and in 10mm rather than .45.
 
I don't know if Glock or Colt, or handloaders saved it, but none of those groups hurt it. These days the ammo is available in most gun stores down here. I figured it had "arrived" when I saw Aluminum cased Blazer ammo in 10mm.
 
Glock saved the 10mm alright. before then the round was unpopular and the guns that shot them were priced out of range of modest income folks. then along comes the G20, then the G29, and now there are a lot of ammo companies actually making 10mm powered loads.

the Seecamp 32 saved the .32acp from obscurity. :D
 
Saved? I donno about that. The 10mm has had a hardcore following for a long time. Definitely made it more mainstream and affordable though.
 
you guys talk about guns that saved the 10 .You have not mentioned Don Johnson and Miami Vice brought the 10 mm to life on TV .Had it not been for the show and "Sonny Crockett" the popularity might not have grown to where Colt wanted to make their pistol . Just my 2 cents.:D
 
Would it be safe to say Colt saved the 10mm and Glock made it more popular? Even without the G20 I still think the 10mm would be around today. It's just too good of a round not to be. Even if Colt and Glock didn't make guns for the 10mm Ted Nugent would of saved it.
 
Well it's a niche cartridge. It's in good company though. 38 Super, 10mm, 44 S&W, 41 Magnum and a few others. It's in that second tier of cartridges that are not the most popular but not truly an outsider.

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The way history tells it, Colt saved the 10mm when the Bren 10 fell through and couldn't deliver their product or mags. I always wanted an original Delta Elite and couldn't afford one back in the day. Now I don't have a need for one.

Glock has kept the round alive with the high quality, reasonable priced, outstanding G20.
 
The way history tells it
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:p -or, perhaps, the way you care to read history! :p

Plenty of fine arguments of how it MAY have happened. Without the FBI's interest in 10mm, with a large bit of help by Smith & Wesson, Glock may never have bothered with the 10mm, and Glock still deserves enormous credit to the subject for continuing to offer the 10mm to a buying market that simply must be FRACTIONAL compared to all of their other caliber offerings, save for the .357 Sig and the .45 GAP.

We could even make one very find argument that the boutique ammo makers mentioned earlier in the thread get a lot of credit for keeping interest in the round alive so that the BIG ammo companies might actually bother to spit out a little ammo for it.
 
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