glock saved the 10mm.

What got me started and save the 10mm for me!

I started with the Smith and Wesson 1006 with adjustable sights in March 1990. This gun still runs great and handles the higher impulse ammo very well. :D

I started handloading for this cartridge even before I hand the pistol and data at the time was not much. I developed many of my own loads back then and still use them as well as many other loadings the mimic Underwood, Buffalo Bore, Double Tap, Georgia Arms and a host of others. How do I mimic those loads, they were pull-down and documented studied to see what made them go!:rolleyes:

For me 10mm has been the best cartridge from mild to wild to handle target, self defense and hunting needs. :cool:

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Personally think that the S&W 10x6's series had more to do with it than the Delta Elite...
they had to practically pry those 1076's outta agents hands when they decommissioned 'em...
the great love that LEO's had for the S&W's was definitely carried home to others,
heck of a lot more S&W's sold and passed around...sweet to shoot as well!!
and the Delta Elite had more felt recoil...all the 1911's do unless wrapped in rubber.


One of the big sellers this year is ARMSCOR's Rock Island Armory 10mm offering.
Its low cost and high quality have made it an instant hit!!
Predict good things for this matchup...it can only get better for 10mm :D
 
The Delta Elite saved 10mm from the scrap heap of failed cartridges, but Glock certainly helped ensure the future of the cartridge.
I think the round is still very misunderstood, with those who think it just starts getting good when loaded to nuclear levels ignoring that it fills most of the same niches as just about every cartrige between 9mm and .357 Magnum.
Versatility is the cartridge's strong suit.
 
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There is one other Oldie but Goody that handled 10mm well, that was the Star Megastar in 10mm
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AFAIK the Megastar is also the only mass-produced 10mm pistol to approach the G20 in capacity with a standard flush-fitting magazine- 14+1. IIRC some examples were shipped with magazines blocked to 12rds for reasons that remain obscure, but one could use a .45ACP Megastar magazine and restore the pistol's full capacity without any functional problems. :)
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Looks like it has some CZ blood in it.
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Megastars (and the Star 28/30 series) have slides that ride inside the frame like a CZ 75, but most other aspects of their designs are unique; the Stars drop the hammer against the engaged safety when the trigger is pulled, and the lockwork is removable as a single self-contained unit, like a Ruger DA revolver or a Tokarev.

It's too bad that Star folded so soon after these pistols hit the market. :(
 
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Thank you , to those responsible for keeping the 10mm cartridge alive....I'm partial to my new Dan Wesson Razorback but would like to add a long slide version of the 1911 chambered in 10mm as well ! :)
 
If I was to start all over again (getting too old for that now - lol) I would make the 10mm my cartridge of choice. As stated by others, it's versatility isn't matched by many other cartridges. Some have tried to compare it to the 41 Magnum but I think it is a closer ballistic match to the fully loaded 357 Magnum and gives a semi auto that will do everything the 357 will do.

I've owned a couple G20s, a Delta and a Dan Wesson. I even built a custom, long slide G20. If I didn't have a life time of experience, guns, reloading equipment and components for the 45 ACP I would probably still be a 10mm shooter. It is a great cartridge and if Glock and the G20 didn't save it they were the life preserver that kept it alive.

Dave
 
I began handloading 10mm auto in the summer of 1992 for the brand spanking new Smith & Wesson 1006 that I talked my buddy in to purchasing. (hey, he came to -ME- for ideas...) In the fall of 1994, his then-new(ish) wife didn't care for the idea of that scary gun in the house and he sold that gorgeous pistol to me.

So in '87, the Colt Delta Elite "saved" the 10mm.
In 1990, The Shadow took over, and in '92 I helped, and in '94, I helped more.

So that's who saved the 10mm! :D:cool:
 
I have the the EAA Witness in full size and P Carry. They are 15+1 and can be carried cocked and locked or DA/SA. They can be had in steel or Poly.
 
I think the glock and it's price point did a lot for the 10mm. The price of the glock opened the door to the 10mm for a lot of people.
 
I'll agree that it saved it from becoming a very-obscure round.

I just joined the 10mm club and couldn't be happier with it. But I only joined because of the Glock 20. A 10mm 1911 is a nice gun, but it's not what I want and I believe there's many people like me. Without a the G20, I'd still be using an S&W .357 Mag.

Try as much as you wish, but you're never going to get a 10mm 1911 (much less at the Glock's price-point) to be as rugged and boringly reliable as a Glock 20. And none with a 15-rd magazine capacity. Same thing with the EAA and S&W 10mms.

In one uber-reliable, affordable and accurate pistol, I now have an amazing SD gun stocked with 180gr JHPs but with just the switching of a magazine to 220gr Hardcast rounds, I can reliably hunt anything in Texas.

If someone offered me a Nighthawk long-slide 10mm for free, I'd be happy to carry that over my Glock. But until then, I'm rather happy with my Glock.
 
If you go to ballistics by the inch, it shows that out of a 4" barrel the 10mm has about the same power as a 40 S&W with most common rounds. The larger heavier 10mm guns may make them easier to shoot.

These charts are in velocity. If you click at the top of the table it will give you the energy charts. With equal weight bullets, the faster one will have more energy.

Comparing the same manufacturer and bullet weights in both calibers, Look at the the 4" barrel row. In a Cor Bon 135gr. the 40 S&W is actually has a tad more power than the 10mm. Look at the 180gr. Hydra Shock. They are darn near the same.

http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/40sw.html

http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/10mm.html

Under a 4" barrel the 40 S&W has more power than a 357 Mag. 4" and longer, the 357 starts to shine, (Cor Bon 140 gr.).

http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/357mag.html
 
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Danny, those charts aren't due to the inherent strengths of the calibers, but due to how factories underload them. The Hydra-Shok mentioned is one of the most egregious examples of how factories produce anemic, underpowered 10mm loads. 10mm Hydra-Shok basically IS their 180-grain .40 load in a longer case.

I'm a big fan of .40 S&W, I'm in the minority as of the last few years in that it's my favorite round, but make no mistake, the 10mm is quite a bit more powerful in full-strength loadings.

Although I suppose that's somewhat irrelevant in a self-defense context, since carrying handloads seems like a poor idea for HD/SD. But as the Buffalo Bore loadings show the round is pretty gnarly when loaded to full strength.
 
I think it is accurate that both the Delta Elite and the Glock saved the 10mm.
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^^This, with a little S&W and CZ thrown in-between, among others. Far too good a cartridge to not survive and it seems manufacturers have always recognized that.
 
There are several popular poly frame pistols in 45acp that could easily be rechambered for the 10mm. One more big manufacturer offers a poly frame 10mm and you WOULD see the it regain every bit of the popularity it once had. The XD/XDM 45 and Beretta storm would be naturals and a scaled up Wallther PPQ or Steyr MA1 would be incredible.
 
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Unless major police departments started issuing the 10mm (weapon size and cost especially make that very doubtful), I doubt the 10mm will ever gain wide popularity.

LockedBreech said:
I'm a big fan of .40 S&W, I'm in the minority as of the last few years in that it's my favorite round, but make no mistake, the 10mm is quite a bit more powerful in full-strength loadings.
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Count me in as a .40 fan too, but one reason I got out of the 10mm as whole was because with full strength loads, I didn't see a big difference in performance between it and a full strength .40 S&W. An example is a G22 vs G20 both using Longshot and 180gr bullets. With a book max load (8.0gr .40 vs 9.5gr 10mm), the G20 would run about 1260-1270 fps where as the G22 would run around 1200 fps. I don't think anything living could tell the difference between the two if shot.
 
While I'm not a fan of Glock or the Glock 10mm, I would agree that Glock has made significant strides in increasing the popularity of 10mm overall. IMHO, that's a good thing!
 
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