Glock Safe Action Unsafe?

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I really hate to see this, but I kind of agree. Glock has taken the reasonably safe 12 lb da revolver trigger and made it 5-6 lbs and shorter.

I agree it is easier to shoot accurately under stress, and you will n very forget the thumb safety, but Glock leg hurts!

Do you support this line of thought or do we blame the shooter again for another Glock ND? Just asking....
 
I blame the shooter.
Attaching a light to a loaded pistol is a hazardous occupation, not recommended by any gun or light maker I know.

My only lighted pistol has a thumb safety but I am still not going to attach the light while it is loaded unless the zombies are getting awful thick.
 
Then why put a rail on the bottom if it's not designed to be used? Need more information before i can form an opinion on what went wrong. Sounds to me he might have put his finger on the trigger.

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IMHO it can be a 1lb trigger or a 12lb trigger, makes no difference. Keep your finger off it until ready to fire and you wont shoot yourself in the leg. Plenty of videos out there of people accidently shooting themselves in the leg and every time their finger is on the trigger, go figure.
 
My G17 has a rail, and I do have a light to put on it. I would attach the light with the chamber loaded, but my finger would for sure be off the trigger, and the muzzle would not be pointing at anything I didn't want shot.
I had a completely negligent discharge with a DA/SA pistol with a safety when I was young and stupid...Now, I'm old and stupid, but I have long established safety protocols that govern my gun handling.
I have no fear of Glock whatsoever.
 
The issue isn't using a rail mounted light. It is installing it on a Glock with a chambered round. It seems disingenuous to sue Glock for poor safety practices.

I have an external safety on my EDC because I carry it AIWB, and am more comfortable with one. I think a Glock is a fine service weapon. The lack of an external safety and the short, lightish trigger makes training and practice of safe handling techniques imperative. One has to assume.the officer had proper training. Negligence is not Glock's fault.
 
Plenty of videos out there of people accidently shooting themselves in the leg and every time their finger is on the trigger, go figure.
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Completely agree. The same can be said for Backup Cameras, ABS and Stability Control systems in cars...Airbags too. They are all a waste for safe competent drivers. Still, my point is somebody determined that these could be added without excessive danger to the drivers.

I think a good thumb safety could be used in parallel with the draw stroke to add a level of safety. Just a thought?

If that suit goes class action, I'll bet Glock would wish perfection included a thumb safety!
 
I think a good thumb safety could be used in parallel with the draw stroke to add a level of safety. Just a thought?

If that suit goes class action, I'll bet Glock would wish perfection included a thumb safety!
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Yes, a good thumb safety can be part of presenting the weapon to fire. I have done it thousands of times. Folks have been doing it with the 1911 for 100+ years.

I think Glock will be fine.
 
The issue isn't using a rail mounted light. It is
installing it on a Glock with a chambered round.
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^^^ THIS ^^^

"... filed by an Arkansas policeman...."
This is sheer lunacy. The first line of questions by the defense should center on that fact that if there is ANYone who should be held responsible for simple ordinary care in safe gun handling, it's those we entrust our own safety ... to handle them.

Apart from the politics, I'm amazed this is even being allowed to go to trial.



Don't sharpen your lawnmower blade while it's running....
Dumb.
 
The lawsuit will go nowhere. LE officers are expected to be trained to a higher level than private citizens. When Glock lawyers point out that and all of the officers other safety violations Glock will win. They'll also point out that all DA/SA pistols and have lighter trigger pulls after the 1st round unless the gun is decocked making a Glock much safer than other designs. Who is to say he wouldn't have tried to mount a light on a Sig 226 without unloading or decocking.


The standard Glock trigger is 5-6 lbs with a fair amount of take up. Lighter 3.5 lb triggers are available for target shooters and if an individual or department wants a heavier trigger Glock offers them. Basically equaling the trigger pull and travel of a DA revolver.

If a Glock is carried in a holster that covers the trigger it is as safe as anything else. I will say that there are some designs with safeties and DA triggers that I would feel safe carrying without a holster. Not a Glock unless the chamber is empty. This is how most private citizens get shot with Glocks. But that isn't the issue here.
 
I think a good thumb safety could be used in parallel with the draw stroke to add a level of safety. Just a thought?
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Or under stress, you forget and flinch at the worst moment and get shot. I have no issue using Glocks. If it is too unsafe for you, buy a different gun.
 
Complete negligence.

That said, I am in disagreement overall with striker fired weapons of any kind in police work. I have begun a trigger pull (P226 .40S&W DA/SA) on more than one occasion only to release my finger from the trigger mid-pull when a suspect suddenly throws his weapon down in surrender. My feeling is the striker fired trigger is too unforgiving. IMHO.
 
This sounds like a contrived lawsuit simply because no one but a darned fool would try to work on a loaded gun. Still, it has long been known that the Glock "safety" is not; a true "safety" is intended to keep the gun from firing if the trigger is pulled unintentionally. Since the gun can't know the user's intentions, it is designed so that almost ANY pull of the trigger is assumed to be deliberate and intentional. A friend once described the Glock "safety" as like painting he combination on a safe door.

When police were first issued Glocks, most who had been carrying revolvers had few problems. But the few who had been carrying auto pistols, mainly the 1911, had AD's when they "checked the safety" and didn't realize there was none until the loud noise reminded them.

Jim
 
Not trying to be a richard, but I really would like to know if the folks that say it's just as simple as "keep your finger off the trigger" would advocate carrying a 1911 cocked and unlocked.

I do think it dumb to be working on a loaded gun regardless and it is the owners fault not Glock's but even re-holstering a shortish lightish triggered gun like a Glock one must really take an extraordinary amount of care. Someone coming from another platform needs to really be on there toes lest they lose them.
 
If I can't trust someone with a glock, I can't trust them with any firearm. It's that simple, to me at least.
 
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