Walt. You are 100% right but so is your source. HOWEVER, there are only really two ways to get a assured instant stop and the spine and brain are IT. Pure and simple. 40% of those shot in the heart will LIVE. Thanks to level 1 Trauma Centers. HOWEVER, your analogy of "birdshot" and shotgun wounds is a poor one. Most self defense shootings are under 21 feet. I doubt the kids stealing watermelons were shot at that close of range or using larger shot sizes. YUP, some will survive a direct 00 buck hit, but don't count on it. Question is, did it stop them.
NOT to rely on bleeding is rather silly, because the vast majority of shots will have to do just that. Not all are spine and brain shots as we well know.
What you fail to take into account is the cases where a shot to the leg, arm, or very non-vital area accounts for an instant stopping of activity.
As for days to bleed, I think NOT. There are plenty of feeders as you know in the area of the liver, spleen etc., that if nicked can cause plenty of damage and rapid blood loss, not county arteries in the neck, thigh and even under arm.
We had an officer shot in the upper thigh and couldn't save him. Took just minutes for him to go into full arrest and die.
In the field pressure seldom can be applied to such wounds with any effect.
The 67% lethality rate of shotguns vs 14% for handguns is rather telling about how that works. Those shotgun wounds are not mostly wounds to head or spine.
I doubt if the DECADES of use of Glaser and even Magsafe have been a sham and smoke and mirrors. They aren't for EVERY purpose but they are very useful in the right locations such as high density housing, aircraft, crowds etc.
The amount of bleeding is one thing, but what few understand is TIME. Do the medical staff have the TIME to stop the bleeding etc before full arrest and other damage. Depending on location of the incident to a level 1 trauma center or even basic medical treatment becomes an issue for surviveability.
My web page will show a fatality where the slug never entered the skull. Bullets are strange creatures and unless we can shoot people who stand still in the head or spine, we have to resort to bleeding. There is no other way to make it work. To get bleedding we have to have damage. A single bullet is highly limited for a wide variety of reasons on how much damage it can do. 50% of hollowpoints for example never expand. Hollowpoints are a total gamble.
A frangible on the other hand seems to always do what it is supposed to do and that is break into fragments. It also reduces the risk to others etc.
A wound track of a single projectile is rather easy to treat in many cases compared to the almost mandatory surgery required to treat any frangible hit. You just don't leave 300 pellets inside of someone. Math will tell you some will do something that needs repair. On the other hand a single bullet often needs little treatment including debriding of tissue.
The only major disadvantage of a frangible is that is will seldom hit bone and cause secondary fragmenting like some single projectiles will.
Again, I urge you to contact Glaser for some good xrays and medical reports Mr. Canon has. You will flinch at some of them. But to say they are junk and have no place goes against KNOWN results in the field.
To reach our galler section go to the front page www.plusp.com and click on "gallery." The photos are there. Look forward to your opinion good or bad. Unlike some in the biz I don't mind taking a critic head on. Good for both of us and other posters here.
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Specialists in the use and training of lethal force.
NOT to rely on bleeding is rather silly, because the vast majority of shots will have to do just that. Not all are spine and brain shots as we well know.
What you fail to take into account is the cases where a shot to the leg, arm, or very non-vital area accounts for an instant stopping of activity.
As for days to bleed, I think NOT. There are plenty of feeders as you know in the area of the liver, spleen etc., that if nicked can cause plenty of damage and rapid blood loss, not county arteries in the neck, thigh and even under arm.
We had an officer shot in the upper thigh and couldn't save him. Took just minutes for him to go into full arrest and die.
In the field pressure seldom can be applied to such wounds with any effect.
The 67% lethality rate of shotguns vs 14% for handguns is rather telling about how that works. Those shotgun wounds are not mostly wounds to head or spine.
I doubt if the DECADES of use of Glaser and even Magsafe have been a sham and smoke and mirrors. They aren't for EVERY purpose but they are very useful in the right locations such as high density housing, aircraft, crowds etc.
The amount of bleeding is one thing, but what few understand is TIME. Do the medical staff have the TIME to stop the bleeding etc before full arrest and other damage. Depending on location of the incident to a level 1 trauma center or even basic medical treatment becomes an issue for surviveability.
My web page will show a fatality where the slug never entered the skull. Bullets are strange creatures and unless we can shoot people who stand still in the head or spine, we have to resort to bleeding. There is no other way to make it work. To get bleedding we have to have damage. A single bullet is highly limited for a wide variety of reasons on how much damage it can do. 50% of hollowpoints for example never expand. Hollowpoints are a total gamble.
A frangible on the other hand seems to always do what it is supposed to do and that is break into fragments. It also reduces the risk to others etc.
A wound track of a single projectile is rather easy to treat in many cases compared to the almost mandatory surgery required to treat any frangible hit. You just don't leave 300 pellets inside of someone. Math will tell you some will do something that needs repair. On the other hand a single bullet often needs little treatment including debriding of tissue.
The only major disadvantage of a frangible is that is will seldom hit bone and cause secondary fragmenting like some single projectiles will.
Again, I urge you to contact Glaser for some good xrays and medical reports Mr. Canon has. You will flinch at some of them. But to say they are junk and have no place goes against KNOWN results in the field.
To reach our galler section go to the front page www.plusp.com and click on "gallery." The photos are there. Look forward to your opinion good or bad. Unlike some in the biz I don't mind taking a critic head on. Good for both of us and other posters here.
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Specialists in the use and training of lethal force.
