ahenry, I'm in no way saying that we should just allow mexicans to cross the border at will nor am I justifying their crossing illegally. I'm just trying to point out why they come illegally. Yeah if Wendy's or McDonald's payed people 8 or 9 bucks an hour they could hire americans who speak english well but can they afford to pay those wages. The united states economy is always in evolution and adapting to new needs. Our railroads and highways were built by immigrants some legal and some not. I don't think you understood me on this, I know that the requirements for becoming a citizen are the same no matter where you are from. The point I was trying to make is that there are alot more people trying to come here from Mexico or Asia than there are British or Canadians therefore your chances of applying and becoming a citizen are alot worse if you are from Mexico, almost non-existant. They can't just accept every single application from a mexican even if the mexican citizen meets all requirements. I'm also no stranger to false documentation. I know just about every trick in the book that is used by illegals. I know that there are lots and lots of different ways of coming here but the majority of them don't allow an immigrant to work legally so either way they would be breaking the law. Just about anybody can get a tourist visa but they don't really come here for sight seeing. You're from Texas so you are obviously very familiar with the issue. I'm just simply stating why they come illegally. They don't necessarily have criminal intentions they just want to live a better life than what is offered in their homeland. If Mexico would ever manage to fix their economic problems and quit being socialists things might be better.
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Danindetroit,
Actually, you just said, “I went back to an old job and was told that new hires were paid $10/hr, and migrants $7/hr. I do not think it is fair.” You didn’t provide any details so I pointed out that there are entirely justifiable reasons to pay a migrant less than you would somebody else. I then provided an example. If that doesn’t fit with your situation I am sorry. I stand by what I said, just because a migrant is paid less for a certain job doesn’t mean he is being discriminated against on the basis of country. I can’t make it any plainer than that.
If you only knew…
Who said anything about rounding them up? I personally don’t believe that this can be solved unless something “kind sorta” like what Bush has put forth is done. In effect we have to creatively come up with a way to make the 8-15 million illegals deport themselves. Only letting them get their money (social security, etc) when they return to their country of origin is about the best way I have heard.
I’m sorry, but I just can’t figure out what you are trying to get at here. Are you saying that there are more “real criminals” around me than illegals? Really, I am just confused about this.
You are picking and choosing what you read from my posts. You said this before and I clarified, yes more criminals are entering illegally than from back in the 40’s. However, I am speaking of just in the past 5-10 years. The Border Patrol has checked criminal histories for a long while and you can gather the statistics up to fiscal year 2003 on the gov’t own web sites.
You don’t have to trust the web site but I promise you that if you click on the link and check it out no internet goblins will jump out and attack you. In fact you can even take a look at the organization and see that CIS is a non-partisan think-tank devoted to immigration established in 1985.
cje1980,
Whether they could or not is not really a concern of mine. The issue at hand is that illegal immigration has artificially kept the market cost of labor lower than it should be. We know find ourselves in a situation often found when something is deregulated. That doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be deregulate it just means there are secondary issues.
Sure, I understand. Believe me, anybody that has ever seen a group of wets walking through the brush or on the side of the highway with nothing more than a little “mochila” and a milk jug filled with water when its cold and wet can’t help but feel sympathetic to them. I do understand. However, no matter how sympathetic I am to their plight, I still can’t justify their actions. I prescribe to a little philosophy that what one generation permits in moderation the next generation will permit in excess. Put another way, when one generation allows a little law breaking just because they “really, really need to work here in the US”, their children will look with much less askance on law breaking for other reasons, and so it goes. This isn’t to say that every child of every illegal immigrant will be a law breaker, but it does mean that taken as a whole the children of illegal immigrants tend to view the law as much more “flexible” to their own wants and desires.
Danindetroit
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Most Fast food restaurants have signs in their windows that the starting wage for dayshift workers is $8 an hour.
Do not patronise me.
Let me ask about this "think" tank who supports it, where is the money from?
Do you have a genuine fear of lawbreakers or of a certain group of people? Because if it is lawbreakers they are all around you, I would take visa vioalators any say of the week.
Give illegals Social Security, a system they are not paying into and is on the verge of ruin. That is a very big freebie
You never answered what this organsation is that you belong to?
I do not know what that means?
A bigger problem is that in the 90's when companies needed tech workers with certain skills, they wanted to increase the # of visas for skilled wokers that would be sponsored by that company. These are the same companies that have been given tax breaks, and even now do not want to help educate people so they have the specific skills to do a job. I have worked a job where I worked next to people who were romanian, chinese, and other nationalities, who could not comunicate well, who were making the same amount of money as everybody else. If you hire a worker as a G-7 cae engineer, 1 born in the US, and 1 born anywhere and they have the same approx. education and then try to pay the one who does not speak english as their native language, you will lose a discrimination suit if their pay differs. You should not have hired someone that could not handle all the tasks of the job, or you should have called them a G-6 cae engineer. It is that simple.
Do not patronise me.
Let me ask about this "think" tank who supports it, where is the money from?
Do you have a genuine fear of lawbreakers or of a certain group of people? Because if it is lawbreakers they are all around you, I would take visa vioalators any say of the week.
Give illegals Social Security, a system they are not paying into and is on the verge of ruin. That is a very big freebie
You never answered what this organsation is that you belong to?
I do not know what that means?
A bigger problem is that in the 90's when companies needed tech workers with certain skills, they wanted to increase the # of visas for skilled wokers that would be sponsored by that company. These are the same companies that have been given tax breaks, and even now do not want to help educate people so they have the specific skills to do a job. I have worked a job where I worked next to people who were romanian, chinese, and other nationalities, who could not comunicate well, who were making the same amount of money as everybody else. If you hire a worker as a G-7 cae engineer, 1 born in the US, and 1 born anywhere and they have the same approx. education and then try to pay the one who does not speak english as their native language, you will lose a discrimination suit if their pay differs. You should not have hired someone that could not handle all the tasks of the job, or you should have called them a G-6 cae engineer. It is that simple.
Dan,
Your posts are confusing the hell outa me. I’m just a simple Texan, you’re gonna have to explain what your point is a little better for me please.
The “freebies” for illegal aliens that you keep hearing about are the same freebies that any welfare bum gets. As a “class” of people however, illegal aliens generally contribute far less than they take out. And that isn’t even taking into consideration the citizen children of illegal aliens. You can choose to believe that number or not, you can choose to believe the source I provided or not. I don’t really care. The fact of the matter is that various studies as well as my own personal experience has shown that illegal aliens take far more than they give (in terms of public monies).
Regarding the Dr.’s and nurses bit. I’m just saying that I have and do, deal with tons of people that don’t speak English in a myriad of jobs, all the way from fast food workers up to Dr.’s.
Your posts are confusing the hell outa me. I’m just a simple Texan, you’re gonna have to explain what your point is a little better for me please.
The “freebies” for illegal aliens that you keep hearing about are the same freebies that any welfare bum gets. As a “class” of people however, illegal aliens generally contribute far less than they take out. And that isn’t even taking into consideration the citizen children of illegal aliens. You can choose to believe that number or not, you can choose to believe the source I provided or not. I don’t really care. The fact of the matter is that various studies as well as my own personal experience has shown that illegal aliens take far more than they give (in terms of public monies).
Not a fear of them, a dislike of them. I deal with law breakers all the time, from the tame to the wild. The ones I dislike are the ones that see a law and for their own selfish reasons break the law and are perfectly willing to do it again. They have no respect for the law, or at least the law that keeps them from getting what it is they want. Then that same attitude is passed down to their children. Not every child will go around breaking the law, but many, many of them will have a lessened respect for the law. Believe you me, I can show you countless examples.
I am referring to Bush’s “kinda sorta” amnesty plan. If you are here working and money is being taken out of your paycheck and you can get all that money back but you have to go back to your country of origin to get it, then I think a good number would do so.
I belong to a lot of organizations, but CIS isn’t one of them. And yes I did give you a brief synopsis of what they are. If you want to know more its all there on its web site, I’m not going to baby sit you and hold your hand. Do some legwork for yourself.
Regarding the Dr.’s and nurses bit. I’m just saying that I have and do, deal with tons of people that don’t speak English in a myriad of jobs, all the way from fast food workers up to Dr.’s.
Danindetroit
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AH my wife has worked for the Department of corrections for 10 years, from a prison that is a level 2/4 facility, to working with probationers.
Look at post #25. Lock our borders down, hire more people, protecting are borders is 1 of the things that the constitution actually allows the FEDS to do. You have to get a grass roots movement to get a law on the ballot to get illegals off the welfare rolls, and then everybody off. I want all the illegals out. By giving some people a 1 to 2 year chance at amnesty(or up to 5 years) to allow the training of agents to close the borders and hunt down illegals is a way of cutting down the # of people these agents will have to deal with. I want every illegal picked up not just mexicans. What is this organization that you belong to that you have a rank of E-2? Why won't you name it?
It may surprise you but a lot of canadians cross into the US every day to work here. Because of free medicine in Canada it is rationed, and salaries for nurses are low, my old roommate went out with a canadian nurse. I worked with a canadian who turned down a design job at $18 an hour canadian to work in the us for $13an hour.
I contend these criminal illegals are smuggling drugs or drug money. I am not talking about Reagan's war on drugs, I mean the Farce that has been going on for almost 100 years now that allows people to make large sums of money, and need illeagal guns to protect this money and products. If prohibition was never passed we all might be having a discussion about are latest full auto gun, instead of getting angry at the amount of paperwork and red tape to get a full auto gun to go plinking with, or to protect our families.
If an unconstituational law was repealed, then the fact that you needed a taxstamp to dispense these drugs was finally made, all of the sudden just like during prohibition you take the money out of the picture, and dangerous illegals don't want to come here, and we can look for explosives instead. Patent medicines were laced with morphine and cocaine for a long time. The use of these medicines dropped from 25% of the country to about 11% with just a law that labelled the ingredients. You have not listed any laws that these illegals break besides immigration to get here, and drug smuggling.
I am very surprised by this, I hope it does not mean that an able bodied man w/out children can collect welfare. This was changed in MI in the mid to late 80's
Look at post #25. Lock our borders down, hire more people, protecting are borders is 1 of the things that the constitution actually allows the FEDS to do. You have to get a grass roots movement to get a law on the ballot to get illegals off the welfare rolls, and then everybody off. I want all the illegals out. By giving some people a 1 to 2 year chance at amnesty(or up to 5 years) to allow the training of agents to close the borders and hunt down illegals is a way of cutting down the # of people these agents will have to deal with. I want every illegal picked up not just mexicans. What is this organization that you belong to that you have a rank of E-2? Why won't you name it?
It may surprise you but a lot of canadians cross into the US every day to work here. Because of free medicine in Canada it is rationed, and salaries for nurses are low, my old roommate went out with a canadian nurse. I worked with a canadian who turned down a design job at $18 an hour canadian to work in the us for $13an hour.
I contend these criminal illegals are smuggling drugs or drug money. I am not talking about Reagan's war on drugs, I mean the Farce that has been going on for almost 100 years now that allows people to make large sums of money, and need illeagal guns to protect this money and products. If prohibition was never passed we all might be having a discussion about are latest full auto gun, instead of getting angry at the amount of paperwork and red tape to get a full auto gun to go plinking with, or to protect our families.
If an unconstituational law was repealed, then the fact that you needed a taxstamp to dispense these drugs was finally made, all of the sudden just like during prohibition you take the money out of the picture, and dangerous illegals don't want to come here, and we can look for explosives instead. Patent medicines were laced with morphine and cocaine for a long time. The use of these medicines dropped from 25% of the country to about 11% with just a law that labelled the ingredients. You have not listed any laws that these illegals break besides immigration to get here, and drug smuggling.
I am very surprised by this, I hope it does not mean that an able bodied man w/out children can collect welfare. This was changed in MI in the mid to late 80's
Ohhh, now I understand what you’re asking, I had answered that already (post number 34 if you can’t find it). I was in the Corps of Cadets, Company E-2 (as in unit, as I said before it wasn't a rank) while in college at Texas A&M University. That was several years ago.
Ok, let me list just a few of the non immigration or drug crimes illegal aliens have broken that I am personally aware of: murder, prostitution, burglary, theft, DWI/DUI, kidnapping, the list goes on. You can get these statistics from many places both gov’t agency statistics and news organizations (I won’t bother trying to link to any since you don’t seem to want to look at any sources I provide).
If you think an able bodies man, with or without children can’t collect some form of gov’t handout then you aren’t paying attention.
Danindetroit
New member
ahenry I am just asking questions. I do not blindly accept claims from any organisation, that is why I do not belong to any if I can help it.
Is that where you alerted me to your affaliation with your group? I guess my vision is getting bad, I don't see your reference.
I do not know what I am supposed to be paying attention to? Welfare, and most "handout" laws differ from state to state. I think Reagan signed laws that gave states money to use to setup thier own individual programs. Even workman's comp differs from state to state I believe. What kind of Government Service do you do?
* sigh * Yes, that quote is the first attempt I made to clarify the misunderstanding you have regarding the information in my profile. I’ll try one more time (although I still can’t figure out what it has to do with anything). Company E-2 was an outfit within the Corps of Cadets at Texas A&M University. I was a member of Company E-2 while in the Corps of Cadets while at Texas A&M. Members of the Corps were able to either go into the military or remain “Drill and Ceremony” cadets and not go into the military after graduation. I was a drill and ceremony cadet, I did not go into the military. The Corps is and remains an entirely public organization; anyone can join, you just have to stick it out. I can’t believe you are still asking about this. What relevance does the Cadet Corps unit I belonged to in college have to do with immigration?
You should be paying attention to the fact that welfare is rife with perfectly competent individuals both legal and illegal obtaining benefits when they could very easily obtain a job instead. Hence my term of “welfare bum”, which now brings me all the way full circle to my original point that (and I quote myself), “The “freebies” for illegal aliens that you keep hearing about are the same freebies that any welfare bum gets. As a “class” of people however, illegal aliens generally contribute far less than they take out…various studies as well as my own personal experience has shown that illegal aliens take far more than they give (in terms of public monies).” I provided documentation for this point and you have yet to refute it. Matter of fact, you claim that you aren’t even willing to look at it because somehow you know that since it says something bad about illegal immigration it must be a biased and invalid source. How you know this without even checking it out, I’ll never know. You are more than welcome to refute the study, refute the source, or refute the numbers I provided, but you’re gonna have to do it in someway other than “who gives money to this think-tank”. Come on, present your facts and documentation that refute mine. Present your evidence that my source (one of several I have BTW) is invalid. Do something that at least resembles something sorta like a debate. No offence intended but continuing to harp on what unit I belonged to when I was in the Cadet Corps at A&M is a pretty lame attempt at discussing immigration.
My job is not what this conversation is about.
Wetbacks
Illegal entrants into the US are violating several laws, Failing to report to Immigration Control, evading Customs inspection and illegal entry.
US citizens can be sentenced to several years in Federal custody for doing those things, why should Wetbacks get away with it without even a slap on the wrist?
When I say Wetbacks, I am referring to ALL illegal entrants, Atlantic, Pacific, Gulf, Mexican border and Canadian border, they are all the same wilful criminals.
Rewarding wilful criminals is basicly the same nonsence as reelecting crooked politicians, an idiocy we do far too often.
Illegal entrants use much tax money, hospital districts in places such as Texas, California, Louisiana, Michigan and New York are on the verge of bankruptcy due to the MILLIONS of users who do not pay anything for medical services.
School districts are passing huge bond issues to try to accommodate the criminals and their children, school staff refuse to require proof of legal residence from applicants.
The Houston police dept. refuses to uphold the Law of the Land and arrest and hold illegals for being illegal entrants.
I have spent all but a few months of my 64 years in Texas, I have seen Americans being refused jobs at a living wage, because as the BUSINESSMEN, big
would just say" Why should I pay you that much when I can get a Wetback for 1/2 as much"
Real business, real sorry people, as many Democrats as Republicans too.
People who do not abide by their legal entry limitations are not deserving any consideration either, not observing an obligation is also sorry.
Until politicians quit allowing themselves to be bought and LEO's start enforcing ALL the laws, the situation is just going to get worse.
Businessmen quite often know very well that they are hiring Wetbacks, they just smirk if anyone says something, and will try to get anyone who tries to do something about it shipped off or fired for believing in the Will of The Citizens of The US.
My opinion, if you do not like it, KMB.
Illegal entrants into the US are violating several laws, Failing to report to Immigration Control, evading Customs inspection and illegal entry.
US citizens can be sentenced to several years in Federal custody for doing those things, why should Wetbacks get away with it without even a slap on the wrist?
When I say Wetbacks, I am referring to ALL illegal entrants, Atlantic, Pacific, Gulf, Mexican border and Canadian border, they are all the same wilful criminals.
Rewarding wilful criminals is basicly the same nonsence as reelecting crooked politicians, an idiocy we do far too often.
Illegal entrants use much tax money, hospital districts in places such as Texas, California, Louisiana, Michigan and New York are on the verge of bankruptcy due to the MILLIONS of users who do not pay anything for medical services.
School districts are passing huge bond issues to try to accommodate the criminals and their children, school staff refuse to require proof of legal residence from applicants.
The Houston police dept. refuses to uphold the Law of the Land and arrest and hold illegals for being illegal entrants.
I have spent all but a few months of my 64 years in Texas, I have seen Americans being refused jobs at a living wage, because as the BUSINESSMEN, big
would just say" Why should I pay you that much when I can get a Wetback for 1/2 as much"Real business, real sorry people, as many Democrats as Republicans too.
People who do not abide by their legal entry limitations are not deserving any consideration either, not observing an obligation is also sorry.
Until politicians quit allowing themselves to be bought and LEO's start enforcing ALL the laws, the situation is just going to get worse.
Businessmen quite often know very well that they are hiring Wetbacks, they just smirk if anyone says something, and will try to get anyone who tries to do something about it shipped off or fired for believing in the Will of The Citizens of The US.
My opinion, if you do not like it, KMB.
Crazycooter
Inactive
Lazy Americans
What needs to be done is a huge fence on our borders, with National Guard soldiers posted to patrol it. Round up & send all illegals (criminals) back where they came from. Then take all the able-bodied welfare recipients (of which there is alot of), & have them do the jobs "nobody wants to do". If they don't want to work, fine - they lose their free money. I am so sick of people breaking the laws & abusing the system, it's time for something drastic. If people want to come to this wonderful land - great! But there are rules in place for doing so.
Thanks for letting me rant.
What needs to be done is a huge fence on our borders, with National Guard soldiers posted to patrol it. Round up & send all illegals (criminals) back where they came from. Then take all the able-bodied welfare recipients (of which there is alot of), & have them do the jobs "nobody wants to do". If they don't want to work, fine - they lose their free money. I am so sick of people breaking the laws & abusing the system, it's time for something drastic. If people want to come to this wonderful land - great! But there are rules in place for doing so.
Thanks for letting me rant.Danindetroit
New member
CC, It is illegal to have the army used as a "police" force except under extreme emergency, such as for a hurricane, or natural disasters. I think a State of emergency needs to be declared. I think the president has to declare it, that is why he came to florida to inspect where the hurricanes hit late in the summer/early fall. I agree we should close up the borders.
Aaron it is not that I don't want to go to YOUR website, I don't want to go to ANYBODIES website. I hope you understand that I am not insulting you, but I have read about Gore or finestein or kerry saying 13 children die everyday from gun accidents, and it ends up on TV, newspapers,etc. I can use a calculator and figure out that if that is true only about 855 adults die each year from gunshots, and I know that isn't true. I hear about global warming, but I read parts of how that theory came about. A scientist plugged in some data on the planet as it was in 1985? into a computer model, it predicted that by 1998 the avg temp would rise by 15 degrees. The avg temp has climbed by 1 degree, but for some reason we have the koyoto treaty, and all this rubbish about the world is ending. The same for the ozone and the enviroment in general. If things are so dire why are people born within the last 5 years living about 3 years longer than the people born when I was. I just think that just like the war on drugs illegals are going to get here. We need to end welfare. If somebody is paying social security on illegal aliens that is just asking for trouble. I don't have any children, I have no idea why I am paying for anybody's kid to go to school or eat breakfast or lunch. I do not want to pay for anybody's Dr bills. I have worked since I got out of HS, I took classes at community college, and at wayne state university. I got my CDL license, and started working construction. I was working at least 50 hours a week sometimes up to 70.
Law enforcement not arresting people isn't new. A lot of criminals convicted of crimes in state court, use illegally obtained guns, and could get more time added to their sentence if the Feds just prosecuted them on the federal gun laws, but that would be a waste of money joe crook is going away for 5 years, and he will be better when he gets out. What joe crook needs is an extra 10 years on a gun charge to run back-to-back.
Sorry for this long rambling post, I have fallen asleep at the keyboard about 5 different times. I apologise for grammar and spelling. I need to get to sleep.
Aaron it is not that I don't want to go to YOUR website, I don't want to go to ANYBODIES website. I hope you understand that I am not insulting you, but I have read about Gore or finestein or kerry saying 13 children die everyday from gun accidents, and it ends up on TV, newspapers,etc. I can use a calculator and figure out that if that is true only about 855 adults die each year from gunshots, and I know that isn't true. I hear about global warming, but I read parts of how that theory came about. A scientist plugged in some data on the planet as it was in 1985? into a computer model, it predicted that by 1998 the avg temp would rise by 15 degrees. The avg temp has climbed by 1 degree, but for some reason we have the koyoto treaty, and all this rubbish about the world is ending. The same for the ozone and the enviroment in general. If things are so dire why are people born within the last 5 years living about 3 years longer than the people born when I was. I just think that just like the war on drugs illegals are going to get here. We need to end welfare. If somebody is paying social security on illegal aliens that is just asking for trouble. I don't have any children, I have no idea why I am paying for anybody's kid to go to school or eat breakfast or lunch. I do not want to pay for anybody's Dr bills. I have worked since I got out of HS, I took classes at community college, and at wayne state university. I got my CDL license, and started working construction. I was working at least 50 hours a week sometimes up to 70.
Law enforcement not arresting people isn't new. A lot of criminals convicted of crimes in state court, use illegally obtained guns, and could get more time added to their sentence if the Feds just prosecuted them on the federal gun laws, but that would be a waste of money joe crook is going away for 5 years, and he will be better when he gets out. What joe crook needs is an extra 10 years on a gun charge to run back-to-back.
Sorry for this long rambling post, I have fallen asleep at the keyboard about 5 different times. I apologise for grammar and spelling. I need to get to sleep.
I think fear of immgrants simply boils down to closeted racism.
Where did your family come from? It sure as **** wasn't America. If they had white skin i'm sure you people wouldn't really care.
The bottom line is illegal mexicans take jobs that legal citizens and residents would not take. And generally they are paid vastly lower wages. I think they're being exploited and that we should institute a legal work program that would guaranty them minimum wage.
Where did your family come from? It sure as **** wasn't America. If they had white skin i'm sure you people wouldn't really care.
The bottom line is illegal mexicans take jobs that legal citizens and residents would not take. And generally they are paid vastly lower wages. I think they're being exploited and that we should institute a legal work program that would guaranty them minimum wage.
Yes, when in disagreement, call the other side "racists".
As with most things in life, to me, this seems about there being a "right" way and a "wrong" way to go about things.
Should people from other countries be allowed to continue to immigrant to the US? Yes
Should they be able to flood into here illegally? No.
Most hispanics I have met are hard workers and good people and I personally consider most of them assets to our society. But in this world of high stakes drug trafficing and prostitution, not to mention terrorism, we can not afford to simply allow the borders to be passed willy-nilly with no system of control.
As with most things in life, to me, this seems about there being a "right" way and a "wrong" way to go about things.
Should people from other countries be allowed to continue to immigrant to the US? Yes
Should they be able to flood into here illegally? No.
Most hispanics I have met are hard workers and good people and I personally consider most of them assets to our society. But in this world of high stakes drug trafficing and prostitution, not to mention terrorism, we can not afford to simply allow the borders to be passed willy-nilly with no system of control.
CobrayCommando
Moderator
In my opinion the only job that won't be outsourced to generally less-lazy workers (foreigners) is transportation and ultra-skilled labor. Which is why I'm glad that I will be getting all my licenses in a few years to become a regional airline pilot or bush pilot if worst comes to worst. Alaska will always need bushpilots until teleportation is invented.
Corporations love immigrants because they can pay them less, make them work harder hours with less benefits etc. Illegal mmigrants are only good for big farms and big corporations. At least legal immigrants can integrate by joining unions etc.
Corporations love immigrants because they can pay them less, make them work harder hours with less benefits etc. Illegal mmigrants are only good for big farms and big corporations. At least legal immigrants can integrate by joining unions etc.
Danindetroit
New member
Russel you can report the fact that a company is using illeagals. My question is how do you know if somebody is an illeagal, a legal migrant, or somebody with a green card. I worked next to a german citizen who came to america when 15, is married to an american, does not have american citizenship, does not want it, and still has a work permit, I did not know it until he told me. He has lived in america longer than Germany, but still considers germany his home. Detroit has just about every ethnicity imaginable, the directions in state buildings is printed in 6 languages.
I hate it when people resort to the racism card. I agree that we need more imigrants. Our laws don't reflect our needs but only what 51% of the people feared. I think there are ways to make it easy and legal to come here and work and that should be done.
Policies should be implemented to encourage the use of the English Language. I think English should be the official language of the nation.
I would like to see a worker program where as long as you're not a criminal, and as long as you don't have a communicable disease, you're welcome.
My caveat is that the minimum wage laws should not apply until you get permanent residence. You work for what your skills get you on the open market.
With English as the official language, we can still make it more costly to not learn it by charging a translation fee for each person who doesn't read the language when they fill out a government document (lots of those in dealing with the INS).
Just my .02 worth.
Policies should be implemented to encourage the use of the English Language. I think English should be the official language of the nation.
I would like to see a worker program where as long as you're not a criminal, and as long as you don't have a communicable disease, you're welcome.
My caveat is that the minimum wage laws should not apply until you get permanent residence. You work for what your skills get you on the open market.
With English as the official language, we can still make it more costly to not learn it by charging a translation fee for each person who doesn't read the language when they fill out a government document (lots of those in dealing with the INS).
Just my .02 worth.
Illegal Immigration and 9/11 Recommendations
By Lon Opsahl
MichNews.com
Nov 29, 2004
The United States Senate and House are currently debating legislation to reshape our intelligence community and to decide how much of the 9/11 Commission Study recommendations to include in a compromise Bill. The House version, H.R. 10, of the 9/11 Recommendation Implementation Act includes desperately needed identification security and immigration enforcement provisions. The Senate version, S. 2845, does not.
It’s very disturbing and very difficult to understand why Congress and the current Administration are debating, or even willing to compromise on, the inclusion of the exact provisions (identification security, border control and illegal immigration enforcement) that would have prevented 9/11 from happening in the first place. Lack of security identification is also manifesting itself, especially in close elections, in the form of vote fraud (Remember Dornan v. Sanchez?) and the establishment of violent gangs of illegals within our borders assisting foreign terrorists with entry into our country (59 references to Arizona in the 9/11 Report). It’s our very existence and the future of our children and our children’s children that we are playing with here.
Unfortunately, this is not the only area where America is being placed in peril. Every Academic study before, after and including the 1997 National Academy of Sciences study, arrive at the same conclusion. All have determined that current immigration levels and illegal immigrants will impose such a hardship on our children and our children’s children, that our culture, way of life and America itself may not survive. Because of this illegal immigration, we now have schools and hospitals that face bankruptcy without massive new infusions of financial assistance. These newly arrived invaders are, and will continue to be, net beneficiaries and not net contributors to America, say the academics (133 billion dollars cost per year to taxpayers, over and above any contributions, according to National Academy of Science study panelist and Harvard professor George Borjas). The studies continue to point out that recent illegal invaders and even some legal immigrants will not solve the social security crisis, only exacerbate it. They further expose that the invaders work contribution undermines our own indigenous lower wage earners and nets a near zero benefit to us in either the cost of products or collection of taxes. We now have close to 20 billion, mostly untaxed dollars per year and counting, being laundered through our financial institutions to Mexico alone.
Unlike today, the last immigrants of the late 1800’s and early 1900’s didn’t need an education to support a family. They also assimilated because they wanted to and because being an American demanded it. They strived to become Americans, not some hyphenated protected class, 50/50 American or even Balkanized sub nation. Teddy Roosevelt said it best in 1918. “There can be no fifty-fifty Americanism in this country. There is room here for only 100 percent Americanism, only for those who are Americans and nothing else.”
Try a month ’walking in the shoes’ of my elderly mother in southern California OR a month riding along with the US Border Patrol in Arizona. I can assure you that a realistic fear of possibly being mugged, robbed or shot at will invade your conscious thoughts and it’s getting worse.
In the interest of a safe and secure future, House of Representatives Bill (H.R. 10) is a good starting place and should be adopted in its entirety. For elected officials to turn around and do anything else would be an unconscionable act of betrayal. America needs vigorous enforcement of existing laws, including the current immigration statutes.
When Congress reconvenes for a special session this December 5 or 6th to undertake the 9/11 Commission recommendations, Americans need to let their elected officials know that the ‘mandate’ of the recent election includes a secure America. This apparent sedition by our elected representatives needs to stop now.
By Lon Opsahl
MichNews.com
Nov 29, 2004
The United States Senate and House are currently debating legislation to reshape our intelligence community and to decide how much of the 9/11 Commission Study recommendations to include in a compromise Bill. The House version, H.R. 10, of the 9/11 Recommendation Implementation Act includes desperately needed identification security and immigration enforcement provisions. The Senate version, S. 2845, does not.
It’s very disturbing and very difficult to understand why Congress and the current Administration are debating, or even willing to compromise on, the inclusion of the exact provisions (identification security, border control and illegal immigration enforcement) that would have prevented 9/11 from happening in the first place. Lack of security identification is also manifesting itself, especially in close elections, in the form of vote fraud (Remember Dornan v. Sanchez?) and the establishment of violent gangs of illegals within our borders assisting foreign terrorists with entry into our country (59 references to Arizona in the 9/11 Report). It’s our very existence and the future of our children and our children’s children that we are playing with here.
Unfortunately, this is not the only area where America is being placed in peril. Every Academic study before, after and including the 1997 National Academy of Sciences study, arrive at the same conclusion. All have determined that current immigration levels and illegal immigrants will impose such a hardship on our children and our children’s children, that our culture, way of life and America itself may not survive. Because of this illegal immigration, we now have schools and hospitals that face bankruptcy without massive new infusions of financial assistance. These newly arrived invaders are, and will continue to be, net beneficiaries and not net contributors to America, say the academics (133 billion dollars cost per year to taxpayers, over and above any contributions, according to National Academy of Science study panelist and Harvard professor George Borjas). The studies continue to point out that recent illegal invaders and even some legal immigrants will not solve the social security crisis, only exacerbate it. They further expose that the invaders work contribution undermines our own indigenous lower wage earners and nets a near zero benefit to us in either the cost of products or collection of taxes. We now have close to 20 billion, mostly untaxed dollars per year and counting, being laundered through our financial institutions to Mexico alone.
Unlike today, the last immigrants of the late 1800’s and early 1900’s didn’t need an education to support a family. They also assimilated because they wanted to and because being an American demanded it. They strived to become Americans, not some hyphenated protected class, 50/50 American or even Balkanized sub nation. Teddy Roosevelt said it best in 1918. “There can be no fifty-fifty Americanism in this country. There is room here for only 100 percent Americanism, only for those who are Americans and nothing else.”
Try a month ’walking in the shoes’ of my elderly mother in southern California OR a month riding along with the US Border Patrol in Arizona. I can assure you that a realistic fear of possibly being mugged, robbed or shot at will invade your conscious thoughts and it’s getting worse.
In the interest of a safe and secure future, House of Representatives Bill (H.R. 10) is a good starting place and should be adopted in its entirety. For elected officials to turn around and do anything else would be an unconscionable act of betrayal. America needs vigorous enforcement of existing laws, including the current immigration statutes.
When Congress reconvenes for a special session this December 5 or 6th to undertake the 9/11 Commission recommendations, Americans need to let their elected officials know that the ‘mandate’ of the recent election includes a secure America. This apparent sedition by our elected representatives needs to stop now.
The idea we "need" more immigration is really nuts, we cannot continue to
import huge numbers of under educated workers while at the same time
export manufacturing jobs to third world countries, it is a losing idea for
America, there is only one way this will end if it continues and that is
bring this country down to third world status in quality of life and wages.
We no longer live in the 1800's, it was great when a family could come in,
have there 40 acres and a mule and build a life with no cost to the
community however its no longer possible.
import huge numbers of under educated workers while at the same time
export manufacturing jobs to third world countries, it is a losing idea for
America, there is only one way this will end if it continues and that is
bring this country down to third world status in quality of life and wages.
We no longer live in the 1800's, it was great when a family could come in,
have there 40 acres and a mule and build a life with no cost to the
community however its no longer possible.