Gee...this is a shock in France?

I'm an absolute cynic, so I have to ask: are there, by chance, any "recovered memories" involved in this case?

I only ask because just about every time it's been alleged that such a vast plot to rape and molest the children of a community has been uncovered, it has turned out that the recovered memories were actually implanted memories and that many of the allegations are simply impossible because the people alleged to have been involved (even the "victims" in many cases) can be proven to have been elsewhere at the time.

I'm not saying that happened here. I'm saying: huge ring, parents, neighbors and grandparents, massive numbers of abuses on single children, masks, mysterious tattooed people who haven't been located . . . these are some of the hallmarks of recovered memory cases.

And if not. . . . well, what is there to say? Shoot them and be done with it.
 
Shock in France

You could have knocked me over with a feather after reading about that degrading behavior in France.

On the positive side I had always heard that the French Army could hurl an issue rifle further than an olympic gold medalist could throw a javelin. There is some doubt if the Wehrmacht even bothered to pick them up off the ground to clear the way for vehicles.
 
I'm an absolute cynic,
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Nothing cynical about it IMHO. Way too many of these sensational episodes have proved to be a huge CF for the "accused" and forced through because of political or professional agendas on the prosecutions part.


Plug in - Janet Reno child abuse trial - to google and read all of the links.

(side note - after reading everything I could find online about the former AG - Ms. Reno - I'm convinced she's the most evil person alive. The only thing that seperates her from Pol Pot, Hitler, Amin, Stalin, Mengele,,etc,, is that she never had the opertunity to "fully develop".)
 
Rtfd*

Read The File, Dummy!

"are there, by chance, any "recovered memories" involved in this case?"

Yes - it's called "videotape:"

"A grandfather of some of the children allegedly filmed rapes and other abuse."

Fantasize that. :rolleyes:

"Psychological counseling is being offered to the jurors and the six judges to help them cope with the sordid testimony expected from a trial scheduled to last four months."

Yeah, that sounds imaginary..... :barf:

Note this astounding assertion:

"Defense lawyers plan to argue that government social workers, who dealt with many of the suspects, turned a blind eye to signs of abuse."

So, because the social workers were wilfully negligent, the defendants AREN'T guilty of the abuse the SW's ignored?

Must be that subtle French logic - the type that allows them to grasp the ethereal genius of Jerry Lewis films. :D
 
Not really sure what the "Gee...this is a shock in France?" means.

Even the French admit that this sort of thing exists, and is a problem.
 
Counseling for the jury??? I wonder how much of the decision will be by the jury and how much will be by the pychologist. :barf:. Then again, I'm not really surprised. We are talking about France after all.
 
I had always heard that the French Army could hurl an issue rifle further than an olympic gold medalist could throw a javelin.
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WWII Casualties:
France: population-42m, killed/mising-250k, wounded-350k, total-600k
U.K.: population-48m, killed/mising-400k, wounded-300k, total-700k
U.S.A.: population-129m, killed/mising-300k, wounded-300k, total-600k
Germany: population-78m, killed/mising-3.5m, wounded-4.6m, total-8.1m
U.S.S.R.: population-194m, killed/mising-9m, wounded-18m, total-27m
Considering the scope and duration of combat, only an innumerate could blame French soldiers for their leaders' surrender to Germany, let alone imagine that belated U.S. entry into the European theater made much of a difference in defeating Germany.
 
Larvatus - Innumerate? I don't see what knowledge of math and the scientific method has to do with it. Your examples are poorly (or cleverly) chosen. The comparison is to France, right? Let's try comparing a country that surrendered to the Germans as France did, unlike any of your comparisons.
Here is a comparison to Poland, who lost the biggest % of its population in WWII.
As far as France's and Poland's efforts at fighting I get these figures @grolier.com:
France - Peak strength of armed forces - 5 million, Battle deaths - 210,671
Poland - Peak strength of armed forces - 1 million, Battle deaths - 320,000
32% compared to ~4.3%. Hmmmm.
 
There was an article on tv beginning of the year that stated 80% of the French did not know that their country was liberated twice in one century by the same country, not too high on the IQ list!! :confused:
 
Innumerate versus inane

"...only an innumerate could blame French soldiers for their leaders' surrender to Germany, let alone imagine that belated U.S. entry into the European theater made much of a difference in defeating Germany."

Well, if "that belated U.S. entry into the European theater" did NOT make much difference, what, pray tell, DID?

Whose air force would have conducted the strategic bombings? Not the Brits; they gave up on daytime bombing because they could not take the losses. There was NO other allied air force on the Western Front.

Who would have conducted the Normandy Invasion? Not the Brits; they were run off at Dunkirk and again at Dieppe. The French? Please.......

Who would have invaded Sicily and Italy? Not the Brits; they were flat-out keeping North Africa.

Whose industrial base kept Britain IN the fight and made all of the above possible?

What other nation had ANY of the resources we did to make available for the defeat of Nazi Germany?

Do enlighten un innumerates with your blinding insights. We await them with bated breath...
 
"was liberated twice in one century by the same country..."

Liberated?

No.

France was not conquored by Germany in World War I. While I'm no big fan of the French, French soldiers fought VERY courageously during both wars.

Remember, too, that in World War II, while the Germans were pushing the French all over the place, they were also pushing the British all over the place at the same time.

The miracle of Dunkirk? It was possible to save roughly 300,000 British and French soldiers because elements of the French army put up such a stiff resistance as the pocket began to close that Hitler decided to stop his army advance and let the Luftwaffe soften up the defenses so that he didn't lose his Panzers.
 
"they gave up on daytime bombing because they could not take the losses."

The United States also gave up daylight strategic bombing for some months.

Because of the losses.

When Allied fighters became available that could escort bombers the whole way to Germany and back, the British began to conduct daylight bombing raids again.
 
manage the quote.. but i bet you remember it..

"You don't win a war by dying for your country.. you win a war by making the other son of a bitch die for his country".
 
Fact check, please

"When Allied fighters became available that could escort bombers the whole way to Germany and back, the British began to conduct daylight bombing raids again."


Fighter escorts offer NO protection from flak. And the Brits stayed with the night missions while we bombed by day (hence our superior accuracy).

Note that even at the end of the war, the British flew at night. Example: The infamous incineration of Dresden.

"France was not conquored [sic] by Germany in World War I."

Technically true. However, much of France WAS occupied and therefore conquered until the Armistice and subsequent return to original borders.
 
Remember, too, that in World War II, while the Germans were pushing the French all over the place, they were also pushing the British all over the place at the same time.
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Hence the term Vichy English. :rolleyes:
 
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