Gas Prices
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Leadcounsel,
Read Jerome Corsi's book "Black Gold Strangle Hold:The Myth of Scarcity and Oil Politics".
He he discredits the peak oil theory. After listening to several interviews with him, including a debate with a peak oil mercenary shill in the oil industry, I'm inclined to believe he's right.
Problem is, when it comes to religion and science, most folks aren't about to change their minds about what they've been indoctrinated with for years.
Read Jerome Corsi's book "Black Gold Strangle Hold:The Myth of Scarcity and Oil Politics".
He he discredits the peak oil theory. After listening to several interviews with him, including a debate with a peak oil mercenary shill in the oil industry, I'm inclined to believe he's right.
Problem is, when it comes to religion and science, most folks aren't about to change their minds about what they've been indoctrinated with for years.
We build our lives around our transportation. Everything we buy or sell is done on fuel of some sort so if the price of fuel goes up then so does everything else. Inflation will hit first then a depression will follow. Look at our history in the seventies when the oil cartel made a phoney fuel shortage and the effect on the economy.
I personaly got tired of high prices last year so I got my fat a$$ on a bicycle for the short trips around town. Urrrrggg that was hard so I looked on the net for some way to make it easy for a fat old man
Sure enough they have friction drive motors for bikes.
They are 49 cc and will move your bike 30mph. If you ride it at idle speed you get 200mpg. Now when I go to the store I ride my bike with the motor on one side and my basket on the other. Heck if you guys do the same then get a bike with shocks as the pounding beats the crap out of you on stiff bikes.
Heck I liked the set up so well I bought a bunch of motors and have been trying to sell them. Seems though that people won't buy yet as mopeds and fat girls are alike cause they are fun to ride but nobody wants their friends to see them on one.
Bet the censors shut this down
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I personaly got tired of high prices last year so I got my fat a$$ on a bicycle for the short trips around town. Urrrrggg that was hard so I looked on the net for some way to make it easy for a fat old man
Sure enough they have friction drive motors for bikes.They are 49 cc and will move your bike 30mph. If you ride it at idle speed you get 200mpg. Now when I go to the store I ride my bike with the motor on one side and my basket on the other. Heck if you guys do the same then get a bike with shocks as the pounding beats the crap out of you on stiff bikes.
Heck I liked the set up so well I bought a bunch of motors and have been trying to sell them. Seems though that people won't buy yet as mopeds and fat girls are alike cause they are fun to ride but nobody wants their friends to see them on one.
Bet the censors shut this down
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FF,
Take a class on the oil industry and its connection to government and foreign policy. Consider the US owned companies that continued to service Iranian and Libyan oil production during the middle of so-called US "embargos".
Then tell us if the silly rabits in the oil business understand what "you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours" means in the context of the Fed and oil industry's relationship.
Take a class on the oil industry and its connection to government and foreign policy. Consider the US owned companies that continued to service Iranian and Libyan oil production during the middle of so-called US "embargos".
Then tell us if the silly rabits in the oil business understand what "you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours" means in the context of the Fed and oil industry's relationship.
Scott Conklin
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*muses on the situation while pumping gas into the Suburban*
Watched prices at auction today. SUV's and full size trucks are still at top dollar. Anything with a 4cyl continued to go begging, just like they always do. V-6 powered vehicles are seeing some climb in price, as they are sometimes a decent compromise. Regardless, I sell trucks and luxury cars and SUV's and sports cars. Haven't seen even the slightest decline in interest in these, and I operate in a relatively depressed economic area.
Personally? My view is the price of gas is the price you pay for the pleasure of driving what you want. I don't know what kind of mileage my vehicles get and don't care. I like the way they look, the way they sound, the uses I can put them to, etc. I'm about as likely to drive something with a 4-popper in it as I am to carry a .22 for defense. There's an awful lot of people with that same view out there.
If gas does get to the point where I have to pay attention then I'll just have to make more money because damned if I am going to cram my 250lbs into some scuzzy little import with a trained squirrel for a power source... OTOH, when some bright soul comes up with an alternative that doesn't involve driving something with a level of comfort and style similar to a sardine can(and similar acceleration) I'll be happy to show an interest...
Watched prices at auction today. SUV's and full size trucks are still at top dollar. Anything with a 4cyl continued to go begging, just like they always do. V-6 powered vehicles are seeing some climb in price, as they are sometimes a decent compromise. Regardless, I sell trucks and luxury cars and SUV's and sports cars. Haven't seen even the slightest decline in interest in these, and I operate in a relatively depressed economic area.
Personally? My view is the price of gas is the price you pay for the pleasure of driving what you want. I don't know what kind of mileage my vehicles get and don't care. I like the way they look, the way they sound, the uses I can put them to, etc. I'm about as likely to drive something with a 4-popper in it as I am to carry a .22 for defense. There's an awful lot of people with that same view out there.
If gas does get to the point where I have to pay attention then I'll just have to make more money because damned if I am going to cram my 250lbs into some scuzzy little import with a trained squirrel for a power source... OTOH, when some bright soul comes up with an alternative that doesn't involve driving something with a level of comfort and style similar to a sardine can(and similar acceleration) I'll be happy to show an interest...
OneInTheChamber
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Here is the part I don't understand:
We just took over an oiling producing country didn't we??
We just took over an oiling producing country didn't we??
I agree with you about gimics like "cow magnets" but I actually tried using acetone and found that it works for my truck. Go ahead and dismiss what you don't understand. You will be in good company with all the rest of the masses who are unwilling to try and see for themselves.
gas price
One thing most people don't talk about, is, at least around here, the gas stations don't own the gas they sell.
The guy at the mini mart who is being worked to death just changing the price sign doesn't set the price. The owner of the station doesn't set the price. The fuel distributor does.
There are some stations where they have ponied up the money and bought the gas that is in their tanks, but most don't. When the truck pulls up to fill the tanks, they tell the store how much it will sell for. The store COULD charge more, but that would actually be gouging. They can't sell it for less, because it doesn't belong to them, and even if they did, they would have to make up the difference anyway, so where is the incentive in that?
The $70 dollar a barrel oil is not because of the oil producers, it is because of the SPECULATORS..buying and selling oil futures. Now most of these people don't have anything to do with getting the oil out of the ground, or refining it, even if they call themselves an "oil company". They are commodity brokers, and lately, have been bidding themselves into a frenzy, trying to get as much money as they can before something happens that might force them to call their margins. Now, I'm not leaving the real oil companies out , they bear their fair share of responsibility. Just don't forget, it's not just "Big Oil" all by themselves that has gotten us into this mess.
One thing most people don't talk about, is, at least around here, the gas stations don't own the gas they sell.
The guy at the mini mart who is being worked to death just changing the price sign doesn't set the price. The owner of the station doesn't set the price. The fuel distributor does.
There are some stations where they have ponied up the money and bought the gas that is in their tanks, but most don't. When the truck pulls up to fill the tanks, they tell the store how much it will sell for. The store COULD charge more, but that would actually be gouging. They can't sell it for less, because it doesn't belong to them, and even if they did, they would have to make up the difference anyway, so where is the incentive in that?
The $70 dollar a barrel oil is not because of the oil producers, it is because of the SPECULATORS..buying and selling oil futures. Now most of these people don't have anything to do with getting the oil out of the ground, or refining it, even if they call themselves an "oil company". They are commodity brokers, and lately, have been bidding themselves into a frenzy, trying to get as much money as they can before something happens that might force them to call their margins. Now, I'm not leaving the real oil companies out , they bear their fair share of responsibility. Just don't forget, it's not just "Big Oil" all by themselves that has gotten us into this mess.
leadcounsel
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One important reason to drive SUVs
I've owned 5 vehicles in my life. One was a 4 cylinder car, 1 was a V8 carburated car, two were V6 fuel injected cars and one is a V8 SUV.
The ONLY advantage that the 4 cylinder offered was better fuel economy. Say I got about 30 mpg. God save me if I were ever in an accident. I wouldn't have had a chance!
My Buick V8 -- I have no idea but it had a 4 barrel carburator and I'd guess it got in the high teens mpg. Big heavy metal car.
My '92 Chevy V6 and my VW V6 both got low 20s mpg, maybe 22-23mpg each.
My current vehicle is an SUV. It has a computer that tells me that the average mpg for the 42,000 miles logged is 20 mpg.
In the average year of 12,000 miles driving, a typical car getting around 25 mpg will use 480 gallons of gasoline at $3 per gallon that's $1440. My SUV gets 20mpg and uses 600 gallons of gasoline at a cost of $1800. The the difference between the fuel consumption of the average car and SUV is 120 gallons and $360 per year, or less than a single payment. While it can be improved, it's hardly worth getting worked up about.
Meanwhile, I'm driving around in a much safer vehicle for all but the potential for rollover. I'm elevated which is added protection for collision and benefits vision to the front and sides. SUVs are incredibly versatile. Mine can pull twice its weight, it can be loaded down with 6 adults and camping gear for all, it can drive on very rugged off road terrain and has a 9" ground clearance and it cruises very comfortably at speeds up to 80+ mph (I've never had the desire to go faster) and speeds past those little cars up the mountain roads. It's also much larger and has more and thicker steel and a stronger frame to absorb impact. If I were going to be in a typical accident, I'd much rather be in a "gas guzzling" SUV than a coffin on wheels. In fact, I was the victim of a hit n run that could have sent a lesser vehicle spinning out of control but I was able to maintain control, possibly due to the weight of my SUV.
One other point, if it were ever necessary to flee from my city, I would feel much better in a truck that can carry enough essential gear AND go off road (a requirement in a "flee the city" situation).
So, regular cars are good at one thing; commuting. And they barely more efficient at burning fuel than my truck, which is a super versatile vehicle for towing, medium duty off roading, transporting several people and equipment, large tools and supplies for home improvements, big sporting gear for active lifestyles, and the ability to drive through deeper water than cars in event of a 7 or 8 inch flood, etc.
Seems that the danger for SUVs is rollover, which I'm not concerned about.
So, actually it's "more than one important reason to drive SUVs"
I've owned 5 vehicles in my life. One was a 4 cylinder car, 1 was a V8 carburated car, two were V6 fuel injected cars and one is a V8 SUV.
The ONLY advantage that the 4 cylinder offered was better fuel economy. Say I got about 30 mpg. God save me if I were ever in an accident. I wouldn't have had a chance!
My Buick V8 -- I have no idea but it had a 4 barrel carburator and I'd guess it got in the high teens mpg. Big heavy metal car.
My '92 Chevy V6 and my VW V6 both got low 20s mpg, maybe 22-23mpg each.
My current vehicle is an SUV. It has a computer that tells me that the average mpg for the 42,000 miles logged is 20 mpg.
In the average year of 12,000 miles driving, a typical car getting around 25 mpg will use 480 gallons of gasoline at $3 per gallon that's $1440. My SUV gets 20mpg and uses 600 gallons of gasoline at a cost of $1800. The the difference between the fuel consumption of the average car and SUV is 120 gallons and $360 per year, or less than a single payment. While it can be improved, it's hardly worth getting worked up about.
Meanwhile, I'm driving around in a much safer vehicle for all but the potential for rollover. I'm elevated which is added protection for collision and benefits vision to the front and sides. SUVs are incredibly versatile. Mine can pull twice its weight, it can be loaded down with 6 adults and camping gear for all, it can drive on very rugged off road terrain and has a 9" ground clearance and it cruises very comfortably at speeds up to 80+ mph (I've never had the desire to go faster) and speeds past those little cars up the mountain roads. It's also much larger and has more and thicker steel and a stronger frame to absorb impact. If I were going to be in a typical accident, I'd much rather be in a "gas guzzling" SUV than a coffin on wheels. In fact, I was the victim of a hit n run that could have sent a lesser vehicle spinning out of control but I was able to maintain control, possibly due to the weight of my SUV.
One other point, if it were ever necessary to flee from my city, I would feel much better in a truck that can carry enough essential gear AND go off road (a requirement in a "flee the city" situation).
So, regular cars are good at one thing; commuting. And they barely more efficient at burning fuel than my truck, which is a super versatile vehicle for towing, medium duty off roading, transporting several people and equipment, large tools and supplies for home improvements, big sporting gear for active lifestyles, and the ability to drive through deeper water than cars in event of a 7 or 8 inch flood, etc.
Seems that the danger for SUVs is rollover, which I'm not concerned about.
So, actually it's "more than one important reason to drive SUVs"
We knew the price of gasoline was going up sooner or later. Why is anybody surprised? It did it in the '70s and it did it in the '80s, so why wouldn't it happen again? Okay, I guess I'm not easily shocked, I admit I wasn't surprised when New Orleans flooded either.
I moved 5 blocks from the office - 25 years ago.
John
I moved 5 blocks from the office - 25 years ago.
John
Scott Conklin
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There's no question about it. I see the wrecks every week. SUV's fall in to 2 categories: Rollovers and those wrecks where the occupants walked away. Generally they walk away from rollovers, too, though that depends a lot of whether you're talking about a Yukon or a 10yo Explorer. Full frames, steel bodies, huge amounts of crush area, usually huge amounts of padding. Yes, these things make a difference.
Small cars, especially the truly tiny ones, are somewhat difficult to survive, let alone walk away from, when a thirty MPH crash puts the steering wheel into the seatback, or the driver's door into the console. Same logic that made my parents stick me in a big car when I got my license. Same reason my kids will be in big vehicles of some form when they get theirs.
Small cars, especially the truly tiny ones, are somewhat difficult to survive, let alone walk away from, when a thirty MPH crash puts the steering wheel into the seatback, or the driver's door into the console. Same logic that made my parents stick me in a big car when I got my license. Same reason my kids will be in big vehicles of some form when they get theirs.
Scott Conklin
New member
Something else to consider: Expenditure is not all about gas. Buy a Suburban and you can expect 250k from it with minimal service. We're in our second with over 200k and I could give you a list of those I know personally with similar results plus a weekly sale-list from a half dozen auctions to back it up(400k is not totally uncommon). The trucks look basically like they did new and really we haven't done squat to 'em. Pickups, Yukons, whatever, they run forever with just normal maintenance, while holding their value well, too. Repairs, when necessary, tend to be a lot cheaper, too. It's a wise use of materials and resources.
Your average compact? Dead at 150k and I don't care if it's a Honda or a Pontiac. Yeah, somone is going to pop up and tell us how nice their Toyota looks at 200k. Yay. You have a rare animal, despite the Toyota(Honda/Mistu/insert foreign car here) propaganda. When it breaks it's A) twice as much to fix and B) not valuable enough to bother with and C) lacks enough actual utility to bother with.
Point being, that SUV or pickup is still going when the compact driver is into his second or third vehicle and the first one or two are cluttering up a junkyard or containing greenbeans on a shelf. That extra 10MPG or less just never pays for that, assuming you are the sort who either owns a car forever or only buys used. You guys buying new every couple years just baffle me...
Your average compact? Dead at 150k and I don't care if it's a Honda or a Pontiac. Yeah, somone is going to pop up and tell us how nice their Toyota looks at 200k. Yay. You have a rare animal, despite the Toyota(Honda/Mistu/insert foreign car here) propaganda. When it breaks it's A) twice as much to fix and B) not valuable enough to bother with and C) lacks enough actual utility to bother with.
Point being, that SUV or pickup is still going when the compact driver is into his second or third vehicle and the first one or two are cluttering up a junkyard or containing greenbeans on a shelf. That extra 10MPG or less just never pays for that, assuming you are the sort who either owns a car forever or only buys used. You guys buying new every couple years just baffle me...
OneInTheChamber
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Pipoman; what's wrong with what I said. Freedom isn't free. America has paid for its freedom with millions of American lives. Iraq.... got it's freedom paid by American lives. Can't they give the people who "bought" them freedom a little discount? After all, we have dumped so much $$$ into that place trying to teach them to act like a civilized nation. It should be looked upon as a loan to the Iraqi's; a loan they should honor and repay. After WWII, Germany paid out millions in war debts. The only thing Iraq has given us is...........
The term "took over" implies the US is in charge of Iraq. We are not, we are there now for security and to support the emerging democracy. We are helping build infrastructure, Iraq needs the proceeds of their oil to run and build their country. I don't disagree that at some point the US should be allowed to purchase some of the resources, maybe even be repaid for some of our expenditures, that decision should be left to the Iraqis.
We are not conquerors we are liberators.